server software. I just normally just pick SSH server and then add
whatever I want after the first boot. I've always had less problems
ever these days) since the server install uses a text based installer.
drives or DVDs. You could, if you are in a hurry, install via the
Internet and that would take just about as long. Then again, if you
> What are some of the gotchas he can expect in installing: server ->
> delta desktop repository -> delta desktop gui -> no more than two days
> tweaking system? OR:
> desktop install -> delta server -> tweak?
>
> I'd expect using the server distro as the base to work better with a
> server enabled workstation, but that's just a layperson's hunch.
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com
> <mailto:brian@snaptek.com>> wrote:
>
> Plus one for the server install DVD. If you are going to do
> anything out of the norm, always reach for the server install.
> Then just apt install kubuntu-desktop when everything is done
> installing.
>
> Kde neon is pretty good right now and about the only way to get an
> up to date kde experience right now, but it will still use the
> Ubuntu installer. It would probably be best for you to use the
> server install cd, then add the neon repositories, and then
> install the the neon-desktop
>
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On November 7, 2016 1:17:07 PM MST, Stephen Partington
> <cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Wow. you worked much harder with the desktop install media
> than i would have. I usually 86 the desktop install media and
> just use the server install media to get the LVM/Raid settings
> i want to use. i just have to remember to disable the network
> wait on boot.
>
> I am about to try something like this again for a while as
> Windows 10 is irking me again more and more.
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Michael Butash
> <mike@butash.net <mailto:mike@butash.net>> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the fire and forget, had to rebuild a data
> center for a customer over the weekend - I was just really
> hoping to have the darn box up before I left to work on it
> remote, such a simple feat normally, but I had no time for
> anyways.
>
> Rest inline...
>
>
> On 11/03/2016 03:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:38:24 -0700
> Michael Butash <mike@butash.net
> <mailto:mike@butash.net>> wrote:
>
> This is really why I have a hate/love relation
> with ubuntu, it never
> fails to disappoint. My road to 16.04 has been
> all upgrades so far,
> this time I'm using 16.04.1 cd's from scratch.
>
> Curious: What do you love about it? You seem like the
> kind of person
> who could work with any distro.
>
> Short answer, it usually works where others do not with my
> graphics, a 6-head amd video card which until recently, I
> used all ports on.
>
> Long story, probably tldr (you asked!), definitely
> love/hate...
>
> After my last straw with windoze and making the decision
> to force myself to use linux to both learn and abandon m$
> shitty ecosystem circa 2006, I tried a bit of everything
> disto-wise. I always loathed redhat and rpm hell (no, yum
> didn't entirely fix this, and much later), I came from
> slackware/open|freebsd/solaris background having no desire
> to go back, and oddly landed on Mandrake for a bit. Until
> I started hacking on it, and things came unglued.
>
> I decided to try Ubuntu after reading about debian roots
> I've heard praised (tried for 2 seconds, got annoyed,
> don't remember now why), I think 6.04 at the time, and
> oddly it "just worked".
>
> I didn't begin to have any real issues until 10.10 until
> the era of unity hell began, and they started trying to
> make Ubuntu install more idiot-proof for, well idiots.
> Sadly it removed all the good features like complex raid,
> crypto, and lvm setup, making it about as stupid as
> possible, but there was always the alt installer and just
> simply not using unity, if I could just get the damn os on
> a system. Thanks Canonical.
>
> They then pissed on that, fiddling with (breaking) the alt
> installer removing fdisk (it's what I used for my
> raid+crypto+lvm setup), and ultimately doing away with the
> alt installer all together as insult to injury. Again I
> worked around them in other ways, building my fs manually
> with an arch cd first learning how to build it all
> manually from busybox again, and trick the netboot
> installer into working over it. Thanks again Canonoical.
>
> Around 2014, I got really annoyed after dist-upgrade blew
> up my system that I decide to sojourn a bit and explore
> distros again with a new laptop I'd gotten. I couldn't
> even get fedora's vaunted installer to reproduce my
> raid+crypt+lvm setup, and despised the notion of going
> back to it anyways, but at the request of a friend that
> for some reason likes it, tried. Even tried Red Hat's
> official installer, more broken than fedora, scratch
> either/or. Tried Arch too, got to a desktop, and found
> hell with the AMD drivers and graphics capabilities in
> general.
>
> I settled on Mint Debian edition with Mate, as Cinnamon
> was all sorts of broken with compositing on even the most
> basic intel gpu, which seemed like instant fail. Mate was
> great, and used that for a bit until with some new ssd's
> I'd begun to rebuild my desktop with mint de mate, and
> found ATI graphic hell in my desktop. AMD only cares
> about fedora/ubuntu as a linux entity, knew it would
> likely work there, and again hacked ubuntu back onto my
> system. It's the same install I'm using today, and
> eventually moved my laptop back to ubuntu.
>
> What I really can't fathom is how Canonical can keep
> breaking their installers in such new and creative ways
> each time, and only I seem to notice, but then again, I
> expect linux features most people don't know even exist or
> care about like raid, crypto, or volume management.
>
> If BTRFS or ZFS supported better encryption, I'd love to
> use one native fs to do all the raid/crypto/lvm in it. I
> think as of this year, either/both might, so worth
> exploring, but I bet ubuntu's installers will still suck
> in dealing with them.
>
> Yes, AMD is a root evil for linux graphics and at times
> the kernels, but nvidia to this day still has not put out
> a 6-head video card like AMD that I actually use all 6
> ports of. Now I have 3x montiors (well, tv's), so this
> new one has a nice new 1070 card in it. Which thanks to
> their crappy business practices too of not releasing
> firmware immediately (that amd would decompile), I know
> nouveau has issues with, and the binary drive is
> necessary. I'm handy with cli here, not too worried, more
> that their drivers suck too these days.
>
> I really don't want to have to make a circle of
> distro's to end up
> back here again, but ubuntu is always so basically
> dysfunctional
> these days with the most basic things, it's hard
> to want to care.
>
> I wonder how much others have seen this. This is
> with legacy boot in
> bios, no uefi crap, and just a basic d-i based
> ubuntu server install,
> and/or kubuntu.
>
> I used Ubuntu for several years because it "just
> works." The trouble
> was, as I got more sophisticated, Ubuntu's seatbelts
> and airbags and
> danger sensing devices and training wheels and all
> that other stuff so
> necessary to the newbie badly got in my way.
>
> I agree, it feels almost childish to still use Ubuntu at
> this stage, but nothing else has worked suitably, and I'm
> somewhat tired of trying+disappointment when history has
> proven most others to be inadequate or worse.
>
> So I ditched Ubuntu for Debian, and that was great,
> but then Debian
> went systemd so I switched to Void Linux, and after a
> rocky 5 weeks of
> Void newbie-ism, Void has turned out to be the most
> useful, maleable
> and stable distro I've ever used. I've used Void for
> over a year now.
>
> That's why I tried Mint Debian Edition - figured deb it
> might suck less and just wanted a modern ui, but found
> that their driver support for AMD, or rather a support for
> modern versions thereof for graphics were fairly lacking,
> and no one from a major org cares enough to fix it. I
> simply could not get their kernel to take the amd driver,
> which was a non-starter. It's actually what drove me
> finally back to Ubuntu natively just for a working video
> solution, and at times keeps me bound.
>
> I think you've probably outgrown Ubuntu.
>
> See above. It tends to work great as long as I don't have
> to 1) install it via "normal" means or 2) upgrade it, both
> often suck these days. Both have simply continued to get
> worse and worse, and I only encounter them every few years
> out of necessity of they are also both my primary means of
> working as my own business. Once I hit 14.04 stable, I
> upgraded only upon absolute necessity core functions like
> kernel or desktop libs, and only essential apps that
> require them (browsers really), but otherwise didn't
> upgrade core until 16.04 when it released. That's been a
> current longer evolutionary story I'll get to eventually.
>
> BUT, as far as your current no-booting installer
> problem, I wonder if
> your media are bad. Just for fun, boot System Rescue
> CD and have a look
> around the system to verify no disk or RAM problems,
> and that the
> processor is what you think it is. If you can't boot
> System Rescue CD
> either, that points an accusing finger at your DVD drive.
>
> This is something I'd seen before actually, I'd mentioned
> another time about arch and disk-label usage. I don't
> think it's media, but who knows. My 10 year old spindle of
> dvd-r's might be breaking down by now, but first time I've
> seen this with a anything, why I tried both the built-in,
> and a usb, of which I've used hundreds of times to boot
> things, almost always said linux boxes over the past 10
> years, another not long ago.
>
> Also, try burning your disks with cdrecord (or wodim)
> instead of a gui.
> I use a command something like this:
>
> cdrecord dev=/dev/sr0 padsize=63s driveropts=burnfree \
> -pad -dao -v -eject myimage.iso
>
> The padsize=63s and -pad help with the Linux readahead
> bug. Burnfree
> means you don't unknowingly make coasters or bad discs
> if your computer
> can't deliver the data fast enough.
>
> If you perform the burn like I mentioned above, you
> *should* be able to
> md5 check the disc to the same md5sum as the iso file
> by following
> directions here:
>
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm
>
> Interesting - I've not had to adjust a cd like that using
> k3b on linux ever or nero in win since doing so for
> pirated drm games. Only time seeing something like that is
> using unetbootin to make the usb where it doesn't know the
> iso expects a certain disk label to exist. This seemed
> more a sloppy iso build in the few hours I had with the
> system and ample frustration to write that.
>
> Thank you for that tidbit, I'll try it after I fiddle with
> the bios more on this. I'm going to try a kde neon build
> (really what I'm interested in more here), I just didn't
> have the time as it showed up 5 hours before I had to
> pack, sleep, and hop on a plane (sad, I know). It's a
> t7910 precision dell, more a server board than desktop, so
> I'd really expect better behaviour here on either pc or
> ubuntu.
>
> I'll update when I get to it tonight hopefully.
>
> HTH,
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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