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On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Michael Butash <
michael@butash.net> wrote:
> On 10/04/2016 08:20 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>
>> actually,
>> there are other reasons for using an encrypted tunnel besides bit
>> torrent. How about secure banking? or perhaps secure purchasing? mayhap
>> even more secure email access.
>>
> Yes, SSL was born as a tunnel between your client and a service provider
> server for that reason, far different from vpn though. Problem is it's
> becoming increasingly easy to trick and/or program clients to overlook the
> fact that there is a man in the middle attack in progress on that session.
> Sometimes nefariously, sometimes legitimately as part of the service
> delivery path of said service or given employer. No one really does
> certificate validation and authentication on public-ish services, and most
> times even private *secure* ones, so the value of ssl without validation
> atop it is pretty useless. Better than nothing and secure in theory.
>
> A vpn though, something like ipsec or openvpn would only be used in such
> cases if you were going to join your work or hosted services network, not
> so much to google for gmail security or buying on ebay with paypal. A vpn
> to egress another country does nothing but play hide and seek for
> anonymity, .govs (now multiple) will just mitm the session anyways, or save
> it later when they can decrypt it.
>
>> And yes, if there is a torrent I want to get (and it is perfectly legal
>> too), I don't want my ISP pulling bandwidth throttling or bitching at me
>> for supposedly downloading copyrighted materials when they aren't (yes, I
>> have had this actually happen).
>>
> This is why I've considered routing all my traffic out over vpn, but real
> usage is pretty miserable doing that even for just http traffic usage let
> alone more real-time protocols. I can use torbrowser with the vpn proxy
> for anything I want to keep more anonymized.
>
>>
>> -eric
>>
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