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> On Sep 30, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Anon Anon <lokotejones@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What flavor of Linux currently doesn't use systemd?
>
>
>> On Sep 30, 2016 11:58, "Joseph Sinclair" <plug-discussion@stcaz.net> wrote:
>> Responses Inline:
>>
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> >> SystemD should be restricted to it's INIT
>> >> functions, dump the horrible non-standard logging, drop all of the
>> >> service replacements (or spin them into separate services), and get
>> >> laser-focused on getting that INIT service bullet-proof,
>> >
>> > But if systemd were restricted to PID1 plus a process starter, what
>> > would differentiate it from very nice INITs like runit, s6, and Epoch?
>>
>> Quality code, simple design, and/or security could differentiate.
>> If none of those applies, then the community should choose the alternative that does offer those things.
>> In my opinion, systemd does have some very good features in it's core function space, it just has some major implementation and kitchen-sink issues that need to be fixed.
>>
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> >> I think the entire RedHat organization (and the professional
>> >> open-source community in general) might need a refresher course on
>> >> operating system design, particularly focusing on microkernel
>> >> architectures and the how/why those are inherently more secure (also
>> >> why the tradeoffs involved don't work as well in Ring-0 kernel space
>> >> as they do in Ring-3 user space).
>> >
>> > This would be counterproductive for Redhat. Please remember they make
>> > their money on consulting, certs and education: Three services that
>> > lose value as the underlying system becomes easier to use and
>> > comprehend. Read
>> > http://asay.blogspot.ru/2006/10/interview-with-red-hat-cto-brian.html
>> > and search for the first occurrence of the word "complexity" and you'll
>> > hear, straight from the horse's mouth, why they'll never make systemd a
>> > simple PID1 plus process runner.
>>
>> I am well aware that the corporate incentive militates against doing what's best in the case of systemd.
>> There is nothing, however, that requires systemd be exclusively or even significantly driven by Red Hat, the community is completely free to fork and fix the project.
>> The Linux community (of which Red Hat is only a small part) has a responsibility to itself to reject or repair overly complex and insecure solutions to the needs of a modern operating system.
>> There are already projects underway in various places that begin to address these concerns, and the natural self-interest of the community will tend to bring those to the forefront, absent external interference.
>> Red Hat will, eventually, either recognize the constraint (do what's best for the community or the community will go elsewhere) or cease to exist; both outcomes are eminently reasonable and beneficial.
>>
>> I have no desire to tell Red Hat how to run their business, and they shouldn't listen to me if I did.
>> The quoted paragraph is more of a recognition of a common technology blindspot that happens to manifest in Red Hat's organization (and applies to the systemd design issues) than a prescription for action.
>>
>> Note, I don't pretend to have the time or skill to fix systemd either. I just made some observations that, if it's bad enough (and it might be), there could be enough interested entities who do have time and skill to fix the problem.
>>
>> >
>> > SteveT
>> >
>>
>> ==Joseph++
>>
>>
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