Re: Holy desktops!!! Bumblebee and Optimus are now working

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Author: Michael Butash
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To: Stephen Partington, Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Holy desktops!!! Bumblebee and Optimus are now working





My issues with kde tend to be sort of a
      slow destabilization that occurs over time, or triggered quickly
      with shutting off a single (or more) display.  I push the system
      pretty hard usually, it's no slouch either, but I run into lots of
      weirdness that just builds with time, usually after about a week
      of use, it starts getting crazy broken.


      My other sin is still the radeon hardware - I wouldn't be
      surprised if it is a root of evil in some way.  The nvidia 10x0
      cards are finally becoming available|not scalped, and hoping they
      start trickling into ebay quickly when people get over them.


      This one for example, taskbar animations freak out - this is one
      of the things that seemed might be causing my cpu spikes, task
      items start flickering back and forth enough to cause a seizure
      (great use for this 60hz!):


https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356479

      This one causes my task bar to bounce back and forth between 3
      monitors, despite whatever I set it to.  Sometimes as I'm using
      them... Makes for slightly fun drunken-like computing experiences:


https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356225

      This one affects me most right now - when my 4k tv's shut off
      (display blank timeout, or shut down manually for night), the kwin
      moves everything around, and can't cope with a lack of an active
      real monitor when they're not present:


https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340267

      There's just been a ton of things that it's just - wonky.  I still
      find kde far nicer to use (when working right) than cinnamon or
      mate, trying both again recently with kde driving me nuts.  The
      things we subject ourselves to simply to *not* have to use
      windoze...


      -mb




      On 07/22/2016 08:49 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:



Well the only issue I am running into is with the
        weird sliding issue of the one display. I am running 16.04 and
        really have not run into the other issues. 

And Wayland is being stubborn ad well.

On Jul 22, 2016 7:39 PM, "Michael
          Butash" <
>
          wrote:



I bet you do - kde has some real bastard issues with
                multi-monitor I've been finding.


                If you're on 14.04, you're mostly hozed - they didn't
                fix kde remembering display setups until plasma 5.x. 
                This alone drove me into the 16.04 adventure with plasma
                5.


                I was actually just digging through their bugs when I
                saw this, there are a ton of issues with current
                releases in ubuntu and everything really, plasma 5.5 to
                current 5.7.1 all seem affected.


                Now with 16.04 and plasma 5.5 on here, it remembers
                where my monitors go, but about everything else is
                broken.  Someone decided to remove a particular null
                monitor feature in kde that destroys it's ability cope
                with displays disappearing as things toggle around with
                xrandr functions, causing kwin, plasma, and about every
                other aspect of kde to freak out.  Now they seem to be
                trying to put it back, but so far everyone is still
                broken in 5.7.1.


                Sadly most of these issues relate I found in the kde
                trackers around these issues are a year or more old, and
                they don't seem great about actually fixing
                old/persistent problems.  Seems they just keep making
                new features without fixing the old ones, like monitor
                placement in plasma 4.  


                Easy for them to say "just upgrade to 5", but not when
                it requires a distro release upgrade, and then finding
                it is even more broken is slightly infuriating.


                -mb



                On 07/22/2016 09:07 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:




Odd KDE
                    multi-monitor behavior with Optimus.



I have
                    it working, and for the most part its great. But
                    what i am getting now is some really strange
                    behavior with Nvidia and Intel graphics.



Everything
                    comes up and renders beautifully. I can even arrange
                    them and move things back and forth. But anytime i
                    move to the Intel controlled monitor (in this case
                    laptop display) it slides the Nvidia controlled
                    screens off to the side (or up if i set it below).



I have
                    no idea where this behavior is controlled from and
                    my google searching is coming up with nothing like
                    it before. And while technically functional its kind
                    of weird and not very helpful behavior.







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