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Author: Eric Oyen
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Subject: Re: PFA: home computers have no "reasonable expectation of privacy"
well, I would recommend the use of pwgen and Ccrypt as interim measures. one can generate passwords of a very high order strength with one and encrypt files and folders (and even drive images) with the other. Nothing like good old fashioned command line tools to offer security. :)

-eric of the Technomage guild.

On Jul 12, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Carl Parrish wrote:

> Anyone have sources on hardening a pixel? Can you auto encrypt data on Google’s cloud? is it easy to make S3 a default drive? Have we ever done a workshop about using Crouton or chrubuntu on a pixel? Since about 85% of all I do is web work or ssh into a Linux server I really think I can get away with one now as long as 1) no issues access my git remote server / Heroku / Digital Ocean / Engine Yard 2) I can run atom / phpStorm / rubymine in the ubuntu area. If I can verify these things I’m planning on purchasing end of this week. But would love to find a USB-C storage drive to connect to it and perhaps encrypting it for any private data.
>
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:41 PM, Keith Smith <> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I read it to be akin to not locking your front door so when the cops come a calling they are legally able to walk in and search. Not so today. The 4th Amendment still protects you from that (you leaving your door unlocked).
>>
>> They were talking about a computer. Used to be your rights stopped at my nose (computer).
>>
>> As time passes and the courts allow more violations of the U.S. Constitution we will have no rights.
>>
>> Last week should have been a wake up call as to how far things have degraded.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-07-12 00:25, David Schwartz wrote:
>>> It would appear that the defendant in this case is basically arguing
>>> Heisenburg’s Uncertainty Principle is at play, in that the use of a
>>> trojan to identify and spy on his machine may have resulted in the
>>> files they found there to have come from unspecified sources, just
>>> because the trojan was put there to look around. And the defendant is
>>> claiming this has an inherintly indefensible flaw regarding “chain
>>> of custody” of the data that was collected from the trojan.
>>> It’s kinda like saying that undercover agents in a drug ring cannot
>>> be trusted simply because they were able to con the drug ring’s
>>> leaders into trusting them, and therefore cannot be trusted by
>>> anybody.
>>> What they did could actually be accomplished with retargeting pixels /
>>> cookies and a little bit of snooping through the defendant’s browser
>>> history. It might take a little longer, but the evidence would
>>> probably be stronger that way … they’d basically be
>>> “triangulating” the computer from multiple sources based on known
>>> “salt” cookies (retargeting pixels) that show up passively based
>>> on browsing activities.
>>> But I also believe the term “online privacy” is an oxymoron,
>>> encryption not withstanding. Use the interwebs at your own risk.
>>> -David Schwartz
>>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Tom Roche <> wrote:
>>>> Apologies to those who've already seen this, but it was news to me:
>>>> Last month (Jun 2016), federal district judge Henry Coke Morgan,
>>>> Jr[1] ruled that the Fourth Amendment[2] does not protect home
>>>> computers. A criminal defendant has no reasonable expectation of
>>>> privacy regarding an in-home personal computer, and the federal
>>>> government does not need a warrant to hack one.[3] Particularly, "a
>>>> computer afforded Fourth Amendment protection in other circumstances
>>>> is not protected from Government actors who take advantage of an
>>>> easily broken system"[4] to implant malware. The full decision is in
>>>> this scanned PDF[5].
>>>> Gotta start hardening, Tom Roche <>
>>>> [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Coke_Morgan,_Jr [1]. [2]:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
>>>> [2] [3]:
>>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/06/federal-court-fourth-amendment-does-not-protect-your-home-computer
>>>> [3] [4]:
>>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/fbis-use-of-tor-exploit-is-like-peering-through-broken-blinds/
>>>> [4] [5]:
>>>> https://www.eff.org/files/2016/06/23/matish_suppression_edva.pdf [5]
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