Re: Domain Name / Hosting

      what are *these things*" and blew a bunch of cash not to be
      disgraced with their golfing buddies.  Parsons was all about it
      though, check out the history on the corp dfs root.
      Out with the old, in with the somewhat new while playing catchup
      with, well, everyone else.
      -mb
      On 03/22/2016 07:52 PM, Sesso wrote:
        2006ish. I left shortly after working there for a year. 
        Sent from my iPhone
        On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:03 PM, James Dugger &lt;
        wrote:
              a developer working at GoDaddy on one of those shared
              hosting platform teams. Haven't seen any "PC's on bakers
              racks" Those must be a thing of the past . I do see Dell
              PowerEdge rack servers "fully pluggable".  We don't buy
              servers in single quantities, we buy whole preconfigured
              42U racks at time.  The racks are shipped directly to our
              datacenters, in AZ, East Coast US, Europe, and Asia.
              cloud offering just went live yesterday at prices
              comparable to DigitalOcean.   We are partnering with
              Bitnami for packaged server builds and this cloud is
              connected to our domain services. See reviews below.
              can be more important than just cheap, like uptime and
              speed.  GoDaddy ranks in the top 3 or 4 of the fastest
              providers for products both on Windows and Linux
              platforms.  
              Sesso 
              wrote:
                worked at godaddy when they had those little boxes. Yes,
                the industry has gone mostly virtual which is
                understandable. However, there are still clients that
                want actual hardware. I sell just as much hardware in my
                own business as I do Virtual. My day job sells about the
                same and we actually own our own datacenters. The
                clients that buy hardware are usually large companies
                that can afford it. You are right, many clients don’t
                need it but they want it lol. They are signing 3 year
                contracts on these servers also.
                Jason
                    &gt; On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Michael Butash
                    &lt;
                    wrote:
                    &gt;
                    &gt; That (simple/dumb customers), and most of their
                    customer base being that really *does not need*
                    dedicated services for what they are doing.  It
                    doesn't meet their business model, or technology
                    models around that business when consumer cores are
                    still 2-4 per cpu, and you're seeing 12-16 per
                    socket, dual socket, and most can take 192-384gb of
                    ram.
                    &gt;
                    &gt; TLDR:
                    &gt;
                    &gt; Most people probably have this delusion that a
                    "dedicated server" is just that, a server, but the
                    reality was GD's (and others like them) bare metal
                    servers were just generic consumer Shuttle SFF pc
                    boxes on bakers racks as far as the eye can see,
                    which meant no IPMI, remote console (outside an os),
                    absolutely nothing pluggable aside from usb, and
                    rather a pain to deal with provisioning or
                    maintenance-wise.  When someone's system died, a kid
                    in a dc got paged out to rip the box apart and
                    troubleshoot them, which isn't easy on consumer
                    gear.  They were great when launched in ~2004 for
                    cost/power/heat, and up until fairly recent still
                    were, but proved ultimately unsustainable as any
                    part that failed required some dc tech to perform
                    surgery on a SFF case packed with parts, even raid
                    cards, which is simply never fun.  It also ends up
                    costing far too much to maintain over time in total
                    opex at scale.
                    &gt;
                    &gt; Even then providing dedicated hardware was a
                    challenge even looking at real (rack) servers then
                    as an evolution, dealing with ipmi quirks, securing
                    networking from root-access users locally (harder
                    than one might think across various network
                    hardware), that once handed off to the customer
                    simply went out the window to keep them from
                    shooting themselves in the foot like not backing up
                    their own server or say, doing rm on root, or trying
                    to arp poison/mitm the lan around them and drawing
                    security ire.
                    &gt;
                    &gt; Even if hardware were "dedicated", industry
                    movement is to simply give a vm in dedicated
                    hardware, adding a hypervisor shim for control-plane
                    on hardware, at very least making inventory,
                    provisioning, maintenance, and more importantly,
                    network control at a raw hardware level easy.  It
                    also allows providers to bill for usage vs. blanket
                    floodgates, so hey, if you want to pay for a whole
                    server of 24 cores and 192gb of ram on a 10g link,
                    they'll sell you the cycles/bandwidth for sure, and
                    it'll be about the cost of 8 of those shuttles
                    "dedicated" boxes.
                    &gt;
                    &gt; For GD, they could also get rid of data centers
                    full of odd bakers racks and dumpters full of
                    old/odd/non-standard consumer Shuttle hardware,
                    finally, to deal with standard rack server
                    form-factor hardware built to maintain
                    operationally.
                    &gt;
                    &gt; VM's for hosting just make sense, anything
                    dedicated will never be "cheap" out of pure reality
                    it doesn't make sense to offer 2-4 core hardware
                    systems, or maintain them as stand-alone systems. 
                    Why everyone is a "cloud" suddenly years ago, GD was
                    just late to the party.
                    &gt;
                    &gt; -mb
                    &gt;
                    &gt;
                    &gt; On 03/22/2016 11:34 AM, Sesso wrote:
                    &gt;&gt; I asked an employee about it and he said,
                    "our clients are too dumb to realize that that
                    aren't getting a bare metal server."
                    &gt;&gt;
                    &gt;&gt; Jason
                    &gt;&gt;
                    &gt;&gt; Sent from my iPhone
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