Lets see... June 2014:
June was the month in the year we were least prepared for by far. There
was nothing scheduled that anyone knew of and after desperately trying
to find someone, anyone, that had anything to present at all just so
that there would actually be a meeting. In the end we ended up deciding
on a last ditch effort of streaming the presentation from the newly
formed Redhat group who was doing a presentation on openstack.
Hans did came up with a short presentation on Mixed Context (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSndlbyduL4 ) to fill in the time while
we waited for the Redhat presentation to start.
While that was going on I had a bad feeling that the simulcast wasn't
going to happen, so I started madly jotting down notes on something else
just in case it failed.
As it turned out the stream was a failure and so I ended up doing a
presentation on Chroma Key using gimp, krita, kdenlive and openshot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_380o5B9MrA
So, I guess what you saying is that not only are we biased, but we are
so biased that we would rather have no presentation at all or have a
couple of badly prepared presentations rather than have a woman take the
podium. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
Brian Cluff
On 12/03/2014 10:54 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
> That would June 2014.
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1@gmail.com
> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I don't know. But...... when was the last time a woman volunteered
> to do a presentation?
> When was the last time a female was denied the responsibilities of
> doing a presentation?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Kaoru Wilbur
> <m.kaoru.wilbur@gmail.com <mailto:m.kaoru.wilbur@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Again, I ask - when was the last female presenter at PLUG.
> Topics are good bit please do not deny lack of diversity.
>
> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Michelle Lowman
> <michelle.lowman@gmail.com <mailto:michelle.lowman@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It has been a long time since I’ve been to a PLUG meeting,
> but I used to be pretty active several years ago. I was
> frequently the only female in the group, and I did a few
> presentations, including one on software licenses that got a bit
> lively. I’m sure I learned more from that presentation than the
> audience did. I’m not a bit shy about doing presentations, so
> that helps. :)
> >
> > I don’t know exactly what things are like now, but I will say
> that when I was active, I saw nothing but support from fellow
> PLUG members. And some awkwardness, but that’s just how a lot of
> us are. I’m not saying that discrimination doesn’t happen
> because I know how much it sucks to report a problem and not be
> believed, but it wasn’t part of my experience with PLUG.
> >
> > Michelle Lowman
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com
> <mailto:brian@snaptek.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> The leadership cares very much but can't do anything about
> it if they don't see it occur and they aren't told specifics by
> the people that are receiving it.
> >>
> >> If someone in plug is being sexist to you, we need to know
> about it so that we can do something about it. We _have_ talked
> about it in meetings, but I find that often times the person
> that is supposedly doing the action might not ever be aware they
> are doing it.
> >>
> >> Lisa pointed out that someone is feeling like he is
> purposely showing off his wedding ring as being sexist. However
> I would point out that if you watch the videos that I've taken
> of Hans that you will notice that he is Left Handed and if
> simply pointing with his dominant hand, so it sounds like it's a
> misunderstanding to me.
> >>
> >> He's the only person that I am aware of that has been named
> and is therefore the only person that can be talked to. He's
> also the biggest proponent of womens rights that I personally know.
> >>
> >> Brian Cluff
> >>
> >> On 12/02/2014 09:23 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
> >>> I have been laughed at about projects I am working on by
> one particular
> >>> member, mocked, treated like I don't know my stuff, accused of
> >>> threatening when that was an out and out lie. There are
> members there,
> >>> Brian who are that way. There are members who are not.
> Women run from
> >>> these meetings. I saw this at the last PLUG I attended.
> >>> Maybe that's just the general culture, mock and criticize
> other members,
> >>> act arrogant and rude.
> >>>
> >>> There are a few members who are not rude or bias. I'm not
> saying
> >>> everyone is. However, leadership could care less.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Brian Cluff
> <brian@snaptek.com <mailto:brian@snaptek.com>
> >>> <mailto:brian@snaptek.com <mailto:brian@snaptek.com>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's true, there are a lot more men in PLUG than there
> are women,
> >>> but that's just a reflection of the industry as a whole,
> and is
> >>> something we would like to change.
> >>>
> >>> PLUG does not tolerate anybody being treated as anything
> but an
> >>> equal. If anyone feels otherwise I would like to know
> about it
> >>> immediately.
> >>>
> >>> Of course if someone does feel like they are being treated
> >>> differently the first thing I would have them ask
> themselves is, was
> >>> I actually being a asshole during the period I was feeling
> >>> discriminated against. I think you will find that
> assholes tend to
> >>> get ignored in PLUG and has nothing to do with gender.
> >>>
> >>> Brian Cluff
> >>>
> >>> On 12/02/2014 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hans,
> >>>
> >>> I am sorry you cannot take a joke.
> >>> Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter.
> >>> Accusations of this are quite serious.
> >>>
> >>> I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual
> harassment.
> >>>
> >>> Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG.
> >>>
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