It all makes sense to me. As for the individual, I still wonder what
the Android market will look like 10 years from now. Since it is
Google's baby I think Android has 30 years in it. Look at M$. It has
taken them 30+ years to become less relevant. Maybe the cycle is
speeding up.... maybe it is now 15 years. 15 years is good enough for
me. The other side is enjoyment. I cannot see myself working on
something I do not like...... Maybe Android development might not be
fulfilling.... I won't know until I get a chance to swim in it, and that
might be after the new year.
On 2014-08-04 15:41, David Schwartz wrote:
> I understand your point, Keith, but even though Android uses Java, and
> Java IS considered “mainstream”, that does not seem to be translating
> into making it easy(er) to find Android mobile developers, is it?
>
> The ones out there ARE getting top-dollar, as well as iOS developers.
>
> C++ is also a mainstream language, and if you get RAD Studio, you get
> C++, Pascal (Delphi) and php/HTML5 in the same box, at least two of
> which ARE “mainstream”.
>
> There’s also their newest offering, AppMethod, which has a pricing
> structure more similar to other RAD Mobile development tools. It’s
> basically RAD Studio without the Windows-specific stuff (ie., it’s
> mobile-centric rather than Windows-centric).
>
> Honestly, Embarcadero is taking a big gamble by investing in their
> cross-platform strategy the way they are. Any company seriously
> looking at developing the same app for both iOS and Android is stuck
> hiring two development teams with two different development tacks and
> two different sets of skill sets.
>
> Using RAD Studio or AppMethod, this can be narrowed down to one, eg.,
> Delphi/Pascal or C++, for both platforms.
>
> At some point, a not-too-dense CIO is going to ask, “Why do we need
> two sets of developers at $100k PER PLATFORM that uses FREE tools when
> we can spend $5k and only have to pay $100k for ONE developer?”
>
> It would seem that “free tools” are costing an extra $95k to reach
> both platforms.
>
> Don’t you think $5k is a lot more affordable than $95k?
>
> (Ok, so if you’re REALLY CHEAP, it’s $50k rather than $100k, but …
> that’s STILL at least 10x the cost of a dual-platform development tool
> that ONE person can use!)
>
> -David
>
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:56 PM, techlists@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>
>>
>> In the 80's I began to develop using dBaseII, then dBaseIII...
>> dBaseIII+, foxBase+, Clipper 87, Visual FoxPro..... It was a great
>> file server database system that was probably the best tool on the
>> market for developing small company database applications.
>>
>> The problem is it was a niche skill set. dBase jobs were few and far
>> between. I would still be working with FoxPro if M$ had not bought it
>> and everyone bailed. FoxPro is now dead thanks to M$. That was the
>> tool of choice for me and I would still be developing with it if it
>> was up to me.
>>
>> Having had that experience I am leery of tying my wagon to something
>> like Delphi. I really enjoyed Turbo Pascal in the early to mid 80's.
>> I'm sure I would enjoy object oriented Turbo Pascal ie Delphi. I've
>> heard tons of good things about Dephi going back maybe 10 or 12 years,
>> maybe longer.
>>
>> Unfortunately Delphi is not main stream enough for me. I do not want
>> to tie my wagon to another FoxPro.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-08-04 13:35, David Schwartz wrote:
>>> Delphi is just as easy to use as VB, if not easier.
>>> Have you looked at it lately?
>>> It’s just not considered “mainstream” any longer.
>>> People say, “Oh, is THAT still around?”
>>> Yup. Check it out.
>>> http://embarcadero.com
>>> They also have a tool they now call HTML5Builder or something along
>>> that line, which is an allusion to their C++ Builder app — a C++
>>> version of Delphi. HTML5Builder is a PHP/HTML5 version.
>>> -David "The Tool Wiz" Schwartz
>>> On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:40 AM, techlists@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>>>> On 2014-08-04 10:57, David Schwartz wrote:
>>>>> Now we’ve got a new language: Apple introduced Swift and is making
>>>>> it
>>>>> available for free, like their other tools. This is going to
>>>>> stimulate
>>>>> a whole new generation of devleopers to jump into the fray and
>>>>> start
>>>>> building apps for iOS — apps that are going to be hard to “port”
>>>>> over
>>>>> to Android platforms, or even web platforms.
>>>>> I’ve talked with Joe about his app. To his credit, he’s focused
>>>>> mainly
>>>>> on the app. But what he’s missed is the fact that, IMHO, he’s
>>>>> over-spec’ed it to the point where you'd need so much custom code
>>>>> to
>>>>> impement what appears to be a simple tool that he’ll never be happy
>>>>> with the end result. His UI design makes assumptions based on HIS
>>>>> experience with *nix shell scripting, and he clearly explains this
>>>>> in
>>>>> the spec. There are no native widgets that work like “grep” in the
>>>>> Android world! So he’ll be extremely hard-pressed to find anybody
>>>>> who’ll build it for him within the budget he’s demanding.
>>>>> I’ve worked with something called Delphi since Borland introduced
>>>>> it
>>>>> in 1995. Starting with the XE2 release a few years back, they’ve
>>>>> been
>>>>> embracing a multi-platform targeting strategy where you can develop
>>>>> apps in one language that will run on any of the popular platforms:
>>>>> Windows, OS X, iOS, and Android. And it actually WORKS!
>>>> This is what we need - build once run everywhere. I personally
>>>> think web development is way behind in they types of tools we have.
>>>> I often wonder why we do not have something like VB that is drag and
>>>> drop. Instead we build everything every time. The web dev model is
>>>> very expensive.
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