Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?

Top Page
This message is part of the following thread:
Mthe complete thread tree sorted by date
Mkeith smith at <-
MBryan O'Neal at ->
Attachments:
Message as email
+ (text/plain)
+ (text/html)
+ (text/plain)
Delete this message
Reply to this message
Author: Sam Kreimeyer
Date:  
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?
Eric,
Manning and Snowden are certainly high profile examples, but I think they
represent a very limited sample of a much larger group of people whom would
rather follow their conscious than orders. Snowden's situation strikes me
as a little too Hollywood, so I regard him with skepticism. I think that
the only reason the MSM has reported anything he said is because it suits
the NSA's desire to create the false perception that the NSA sees all
(mostly true) and knows all (almost certainly untrue). Mark Klein leaked
information of the same nature (actually, with much more sweeping
implications than Google selling your data, which shouldn't have surprised
anyone) back in 2006. As far as I know, he's still a free man.

You hardly have to hopelessly martyr yourself like William Wallace to take
act against the police state, and doing so is probably less productive than
compromising when you have to and living to fight another day. We have had
thousands of desertions since the war started (at least some are due to
conscious rather than fear of the danger), and over 95% of those deserters
never see a prison. You mentioned suicides within the military, and they
certainly are at historically high levels. I don't think this is because
our military is more barbaric than in the past (US firebombing in Japan
during 1945 destroyed 67 cities, killed over 500,000 people and left about
5 million homeless . . . almost all of these people were civilians. Compare
this with the 2000 US civilian casualties which spurred the US into a rage
and started the longest war in our history). Since the information
revolution, people have more knowledge than ever. Now that anybody can
become a news source at very low cost, soldiers are much more aware of
alternative views on the war. I have yet to meet a grunt whom thinks that
the war on terror is just or even sane. Most just want to pay for college
or can't get a job anywhere else. The sociopaths are in the minority, at
least in my experience.

I don't mean to argue that the US isn't a police state or that there aren't
indoctrinated or sadistic enforcers of the state's will, but I think that
there are far more peaceful, ethical people out there. I think it is
important that we are not scared into thinking that the struggle is
hopeless.


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:56 AM, keith smith <> wrote:

>
> Family Suing After Phoenix Cop Shoots Homeowner Instead of Intruder
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/phoenix-family-lawsuit-cops-shot-homeowner-intruder/story?id=8756441#.UdWJRm2wU8p
>
> Warning this one is very graphic
>
> Cops Shoot Dog. I've watched this 5 or 6 times and it is unclear if the
> officer is intentionally provoking the dog. What is clear is the dog
> showed no signs of aggression.
>
> The dog may have been jumping up to the officer for reassurance. Again it
> is unclear. What I do see is an office quickly advancing on a dog two
> different times and the officer had his weapon in his hand. It could be
> interpreted the officer was trying to provoke the dog and was successful in
> doing so and therefore was able to shoot and kill the dog.
>
> What you do not see is there is a crowd of people in the area of the
> incident and the officer put some of those people at risk. (there are other
> videos)
>
> And there is the question, why was the dog owner arrested in the first
> place.
>
> http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/all-he-did-was-love-me/?cat_orig=us
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 7/4/13, Eric Cope <>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Eric Cope <>
>
> Subject: Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <>
> Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 12:53 AM
>
>
> Sam,
> While I appreciate your "never be complicit" feelings... Its not being
> locked up you have to be worried about. Look at what they are doing to
> Bradley Manning to see what they do to "terrorists". Look at what these
> "leaders" are saying to do to Edward Snowden. He did as you say you would
> do. He stood up for obvious illegal actions of our own government. Once
> they label someone a terrorist, it opens up many doors that allow
> individuals to rationalize their behaviors. Then allow them to step away
> another degree by the use of drones, and suddenly the ability to
> "terminate" a terrorist via a joystick becomes rather feasible. And while
> you may not be willing to do so, others will. Are you willing to stop it?
> Would you risk jail? Death? How do your spouse/kids feel about that?
>
> You already demonstrate your ability to rationalize the murder of someone
> who has done nothing to you, or for that matter your country... Label them
> a Muslim and suddenly violence is acceptable?
>
> Then you say convincing soldiers to turn their guns internally? We already
> have examples of the state expressing that force.
>
> http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/05/27/man-dies-after-police-tase-him-family-puzzled/
>
> http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/05/28/4888210/officer-involved-in-shooting-at.html
>
> http://www.suntimes.com/opinions/20084502-474/editorial-check-out-all-abuse-claims-against-one-cop.html
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/17/raid-of-the-day-doy-vande_n_3294507.html?utm_hp_ref=the-agitator
>
> Just label them a drug user, and BAM! Murder, jail, "You Raise 'em, We
> Cage 'em". An actual Police Union T-Shirt.
> http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1204993/original.jpg -
> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/school-police-union-u-raise-em-cage-em-t-shirts-anger-town/?test=latestnews
>
> Heck, they don't even have to do that to you anymore. With the average
> American committing 3 felonies a day, they only need to literally follow
> you until you break some arbitrary law, then you are arrested, and into the
> system.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229
> http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/13/the-most-radical-thing-i-do-is-read-phot
>
> There is no need to make some grandiose conspiracy theory about
> guillotines or ammo hording. Just read the news about our our militarized
> police state (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1610392116).
>
> One final note. I find it quite telling that our veterans are now
> committing suicide at a rate of 22 per day! "There were 349 suicides among
> active duty personnel – almost one a day. That means there are now more
> suicides among active duty soldiers than there are combat deaths." While
> its speculation on my part, I find it hard to believe our military is
> conducting itself in a righteous way when the number of active duty
> soldiers committing suicide has reached an all time high. If our military
> actions are causing such drastic reactions, how is it such a stretch to
> attack "terrorists" at home?
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> P.S. That was a long-winded OT post... and I apologize to the list! And
> for top posting too!
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Sam Kreimeyer <<http://mc/compose?to=skreimey@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Eric, I'm in the Army, so, in part, I represent that force. I would never
> be complicit in any operation against US citizens. I would take my chances
> being locked up in Ft. Leavenworth if it came down to it. Force is
> definitely real, but the authority to use it exists only in our minds. If
> nobody is willing to pull the trigger in the hypothetical scenario you
> posited, and I know that I am far from the only one whom would refuse such
> orders, then there is no threat. If we raise children that believe in
> reason over superstition and trust in ethics over authority (and live that
> way ourselves when we can), eventually there will be no thugs left. While
> it isn't fast or glamorous change, it is something we can work towards that
> makes a positive difference.
>
> Most of the killing, waterboarding, etc. are only possible because Muslims
> have been so dehumanized in military culture (and in US culture at large).
> All Muslims are Hajj, and Hajj is a cowardly, murdering pedophile
> (sometimes true, but most just want us to leave them alone), so any
> violence toward them is deserved. Convincing soldiers to to see their
> family, neighbors and countrymen that way is much more difficult.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Eric Cope <<http://mc/compose?to=eric.cope@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Don't forget they have more and bigger guns than you. Force is real.
> Threat of force is real. Don't believe me? Let's waterboard you until you
> agree.
>
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Sam il Kreimeyer <<http://mc/compose?to=skreimey@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Lisa, I've been trying to make that point for a long time. Power is
> ultimately only what you believe it is. The NSA (a fictional abstraction of
> self-responsible individuals), is only as powerful as people's belief in
> its authority and willingness to act on those beliefs.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs
> This video provides a nice graphical representation of the reality of the
> situation.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Eric Cope <<http://mc/compose?to=eric.cope@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> seems on topic to this off topic discussion...
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/text-of-a-july-2-2013-letter-to-edward-snowden-from-his-father-and-fathers-attorney/2013/07/02/e62ff87e-e350-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:01 PM, keith smith <<http://mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
> Just say no to FEEMA! If you say no to ObamaCare it will cost you some
> tax dollars (fine). If you say no to gun control you might go to jail.
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/2/13, <http://mc/compose?to=skreimey@gmail.com>
> < <http://mc/compose?to=skreimey@gmail.com>>* wrote:
>
>
> From: <http://mc/compose?to=skreimey@gmail.com> <
> <http://mc/compose?to=skreimey@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <<http://mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> >
> Date: Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 8:55 AM
>
> Writing my reps didn't accomplish much during TARP. Finding ways to not
> participate in or support policies you oppose in your daily life is
> probably the most effective form of activism.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "keith smith" <<http://mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com>
> >
> To: "Ken" <<http://mc/compose?to=parabellum7@yahoo.com>>,
> "Main PLUG discussion list" <<http://mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> >
> Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?
> Date: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 5:01 PM
>
>
>
>
> I would vet them first. You can always call, email, or fax your us rep
> and us senators.
>
> This looks like a Gov site. If it is I'd stay away.
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Mon, 7/1/13, Ken <<http://mc/compose?to=parabellum7@yahoo.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Ken <<http://mc/compose?to=parabellum7@yahoo.com>
> >
> Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?
> To: "<http://mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>"
> <<http://mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> >
> Date: Monday, July 1, 2013, 1:17 PM
>
> Are these online petitions worth signing? Or is it just a way to get your
> email addy on more spam lists?
>
>
> -K
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Change.org <<http://mc/compose?to=mail@change.org>
> >
> *To:* <http://mc/compose?to=parabellum7@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2013 9:39 AM
> *Subject:* Secret spying on your Internet activity?
>
>           [image: Change.org]<http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=BizydprrY4ejVwB6tCsPq-2F-2FX2-2BNXx8E-2Ff00lPssjFuA-3D_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWaiSKm6iA-2BtSGVf1ngjtP3NARaFLQncsb6QodpZ2RWqByJO-2FxS3sbZ4c5oIcCY011YL2Xk0mgWa0EkJ8Gq8fs5BTNynVp7b6FfsR7ilSB8w83JPYVvsOxT3kFGIyQ7LZ12cPyBOoXCI7gtwg8RZKJmA-3D-3D>
>               *Ken* - There's a new petition taking off on Change.org,
> and we think you might be interested in signing it:
>             <http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=L4wUyO6b13sjdmUXmXaF3ImVTD6G6GFyhYT-2F9kLEoC-2Bh9CqsdU4ynONTJ6skFJN3qKgIucR6n35B-2BaxwC0Pq2sgPVv3FohPnXvsUCa0EZRDrpfr9ljUq2HUQAQDh8sCgMwSQakv9osVjpZDek7AuphE1KQZRK0xy5A-2BX6mevoff5aP2HMk5Iqj-2FFvHauQSLLoQEtFzQGhRL47PvWc5Kafyql1o480YZIOK5LtBJVFlMy7DXxKWKbVAQdr1RVopTZ_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWY0VTqQSMQwFv2YGBcpa8Zr-2BCHXimETZAk-2Fba6QA9hiIDFIBOoqmEdVzkyxzm77rAK1d55mgNnGl5wmcnUOse6cg8tRt5HYORtCXmGrcme5Ibo9Y5Fd3qeK4dnlARxGb8cjylfAoe55yY259-2BHp5XMQ-3D-3D>      Eric
> Holder: Allow tech companies to publish NSA PRISM data
> <http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=L4wUyO6b13sjdmUXmXaF3ImVTD6G6GFyhYT-2F9kLEoC-2Bh9CqsdU4ynONTJ6skFJN3qKgIucR6n35B-2BaxwC0Pq2sgPVv3FohPnXvsUCa0EZRDrpfr9ljUq2HUQAQDh8sCgMwSQakv9osVjpZDek7AuphE1KQZRK0xy5A-2BX6mevoff5aP2HMk5Iqj-2FFvHauQSLLoQEtFzQGhRL47PvWc5Kafyql1o480YZIOK5LtBJVFlMy7DXxKWKbVAQdr1RVopTZ_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWjcfC5vJ0AE6hVXGHCs9PenYkAoe5SSKOOoMN9nm7DgPn0AbjkM5mcAMdiD-2BLCutXHqko7es271x-2BHQtg6iecyqMAEoiYQxd4IY6qIPYdc3-2BQ9IvMBGLO71Ba5lHqibzajq9vUp-2BJYa4aKgjkmwPhRw-3D-3D>       By Alec F.   Alameda, California
>  Sign Alec's Petition
> <http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=L4wUyO6b13sjdmUXmXaF3ImVTD6G6GFyhYT-2F9kLEoC-2Bh9CqsdU4ynONTJ6skFJN3qKgIucR6n35B-2BaxwC0Pq2sgPVv3FohPnXvsUCa0EZRDrpfr9ljUq2HUQAQDh8sCgMwSQakv9osVjpZDek7AuphE1KQZRK0xy5A-2BX6mevoff5aP2HMk5Iqj-2FFvHauQSLLoQEtFzQGhRL47PvWc5Kafyql1o480YZIOK5LtBJVFlMy7DXxKWKbVAQdr1RVopTZ_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedW0fP5idSm3t1h0ki0TiThMdTl-2B-2B6NPaTV0JR7i-2Be7bJAoDLJjuy5LZqBomu24-2Bpo-2B6kAZ45HeR4Li-2Fmq8BuOtA2dTMHBZ4ISTstO-2Bg-2FTtGpYGLusaZsjm5OIkbPQz5vBPn1N85FR2Uq0sgcvsed7PJw-3D-3D>
>             After a leak of documents from the National Security Agency
> showed that a secret program called PRISM allows widespread surveillance of
> U.S. citizens' phone and internet activities with some of the world's
> biggest tech corporations, the nation is concerned and confused about our
> privacy rights.
> President Obama and the NSA have stated that widespread spying of
> Americans is not taking place and that the government is only requesting
> certain data from these companies. There is an easy way to show if this is
> true and that companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Twitter have
> taken the commendable step of requesting that the NSA allow them to publish
> the records of government data requests in their company transparency
> reports.
> In part, Google's letter states:
> *Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives
> the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue.
> However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA
> national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of
> accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation.*
> *
> We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in our Transparency
> Report<http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=1mmeex-2FjZn-2FwcNsRwSa6Vb1BAjT-2Fy11qFaLyn60GQxdkFjG0h2LCmON6FueK8875hyVQ3-2F2RksE7Cv2-2B5N91TVNKfrMASCuSq3bk3Ud3YmM-3D_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWSURcmzxAQMRbTmQ-2BPWnDEJ59Ki2zUIhWLGQsI8bvwZYGNwYnRrW2bO9QaAs6G-2B20KY8kzYXXnJDr8y5h-2BStokSxoOXa4RvjWSE0avMHtXIaRHrEhVEzdMxIoG6WmPm3gp8biOvJ63f-2FjG-2Fkf-2BKudew-3D-3D> aggregate
> numbers of national security requests, including FISA disclosures—in terms
> of both the number we receive and their scope. Google’s numbers would
> clearly show that our compliance with these requests falls far short of the
> claims being made. Google has nothing to hide. *
> The government allowed Google to start reporting the number of national
> security letters they received requesting data earlier this year, but
> they are still barred from releasing information about Foreign Intelligence
> Surveillance Act (FISA) orders. The requests for this data often comes in
> the form of secret court orders that not only force these companies to give
> data but also make it impossible for them to discuss even the basic
> details. That should change.
> By allowing these companies to include this information in their
> transparency reports, the government will be giving American citizens at
> least some of the insight we deserve about how our daily activities like
> emails and Google searches are being tracked by the government.
>          Sign Alec's Petition
> <http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=L4wUyO6b13sjdmUXmXaF3ImVTD6G6GFyhYT-2F9kLEoC-2Bh9CqsdU4ynONTJ6skFJN3qKgIucR6n35B-2BaxwC0Pq2sgPVv3FohPnXvsUCa0EZRDrpfr9ljUq2HUQAQDh8sCgMwSQakv9osVjpZDek7AuphE1KQZRK0xy5A-2BX6mevoff5aP2HMk5Iqj-2FFvHauQSLLoQEtFzQGhRL47PvWc5Kafyql1o480YZIOK5LtBJVFlMy7DXxKWKbVAQdr1RVopTZ_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWvA2wqAyOjgHaVAcL3xTotZlv-2BkqUcNX5OcNB24gz416RXY8VSR2M3PnaNBEq-2BvmWlS6v-2FzlVwhuxA1eWX-2BVk3Ymk8Yr-2FkYwsxme3e-2FYZNIRaM7NKpS4KSf1hK5xvWrQNpkapdw4PcgpHifQRYdXq8g-3D-3D>
>               The person (or organization) who started this petition is
> not affiliated with Change.org. Change.org did not create this petition
> and is not responsible for the petition content.
>  This email was sent by Change.org to <http://mc/compose?to=parabellum7@yahoo.com>.
> You can edit your email preferences<http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=1mmeex-2FjZn-2FwcNsRwSa6VbCe5pNyjM8O3LMH-2BWzopXfmZWty8k6dGa0lVGlbZNS6ECqMC17jrGwvtPFONXuhEA4O5qNCbwOo8l8zNJwGJ-2BoszFbtzqLueJWF-2FmDQHzHmX-2FlAdlYJUmRSHPLRX345hoecsWjTOzba51eUmibT3Xt3EuoEUPJiCg1ZDZ9o7HMM9n7Oa-2F-2BVXEBlE8CW-2F0o8xA-3D-3D_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedW9BqLj-2Fh-2B2mfwbtjTiphBkYQ44pvw62Bbv5HvX3YRS15TDdQsWtIGdOyyzllCn95Yjijug4bKvdKtGU-2FFG1PTOM8zZhXpJpP86ALammJM1gzmlsRD2yIbXCmT-2F3r0nWWWknSDjukITt-2BfYEzeBiSeBQ-3D-3D>or
> unsubscribe<http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=1mmeex-2FjZn-2FwcNsRwSa6Vcp-2BYwBlgMdP9ElkCjUTJDx5iiKkXHXDQfSkxy5yqlrs1jDaQCtTWEO3ddmEL8IVnCgTbYkVrL0boW7qwkuFfQ6Ws6gaPyIDlxx-2Brygc4137mdSHVKNB7lBB4yw-2BoO7wFt77oF7aDN3lZj4ulQ7irvBUOVYqLV5mecLg88V5OfGcaAao4-2F8iw0N8f0-2Fxt1l6D7-2FrIJ3NpU6tKs-2Ffl-2Bc9W4XcnA7knyoLva81vW4e9V6Q_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedW3YGNrtL6q1U2NWK9zmCcHkgIW3jDYNOzHf0CsXu-2BqDvJCZgja1rh7ns3DcbZDXa812Vlk-2F-2FNtUeEXeyw0N0-2BNIB6q4MlUTVWxtYM-2BC9F50rPHFSIilDkqF9LrGyX68vTdPO7GcZZQ-2BEX0ktGX-2B4ORg-3D-3D>from
> Change.org emails.
>  Start a petition on Change.org<http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=1mmeex-2FjZn-2FwcNsRwSa6VTf9IQiQglNUXiIIL-2Fgewz9XTPe1FU3ZOUT11dEk09rTWrmEhYQU5xh1M6ogD-2B7yixBpYQyT12-2BZrWPLNCydgFhgjrdZ6P-2F5pmk4l-2FQ7lJGNSjkJydDYgy-2B-2BZ9Vgzm62NcUKvMwAIjDSRrtjNCYo3MeaDtAi78-2BvOZ4Tn2BXIM6eUeDx31YmvOTpHjfzuIzXvw-3D-3D_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWnep-2Fb-2BMb31iwBDwBM1lmqdz8j4hFXJF55pI3ZEIxTl31-2Br5Ac9ECny-2BXo5EeyjrKIGda3MZZ2Oi0xb5vZGbdyxSF8M8S7pJT-2BHRtYtcyP3cZJqvIktyPu865n-2B30wzgjVkX3Hg8-2F21l6OTvkghDR9A-3D-3D>
>  Mailing Address: Change.org · 216 W 104th St., #130 · New York, NY 10025

>
>
>
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <http://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <http://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <http://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <http://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <http://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <http://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <http://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---------------------------------------------------
PLUG-discuss mailing list -
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
This message was posted to the following mailing lists:
Plug Discuss
Mailing List Info | Nearby Messages		<-Re: sudoers mistakePLUG Meeting This Thursday (7/11) at The Desert Breeze Substation->
Some Mailing List Archive administrated by UnconfiguredLurker (version 2.3)