Well, I'll throw my foot into my mouth - it's only been a few days since
the last event, so why not? ;-)
Keith had some good comments. I'll mutter a bit about my personal
experiences with various approaches (languages I've used and my feelings
about them, mainly):
I've used Perl, RoR (Ruby on Rails), and Python now for developing
various 'simple' web things (well, the latest excursion was a database
query/search system designed to allow searching the test results of any
number of different test processes - at one level not simple, but at
another pretty simple ;-)
I'm preparing to (start all over on) work on a 'little' system for Ham
Radio people to be able to find knowledgeable people who are willing to
help them with whatever part of ham radio they are needing help with.
It will have a searchable database, logins, emails sent as a result of
requests (along with some sort of validation of user initiating the
requested email), automatic verification of email addresses on a
scheduled basis, probably other stuff I forget right now.
Having used Perl, RoR, and Python I'm going to be writing it using
Python and Django. (I have already written the first 2 90%'s of the
application in Perl (actually, the first 90% was done in bash, now that
I think of it, so that means I've done three of the 90%'s of the job
(*)), and never could quite get the database access right. I've now
used Django for that database thing, as well as a little 'lunch voting'
application we use to decide where to go for lunch on Friday. So, yeah,
I guess I must recommend it ;-))
Never tried PHP, so take my comments above with a couple of spoons worth
of salt ;-)
Details that may or may not be helpful, and which are CLEARLY IMHO (and
could easily start a language flame war - please, if you think you need
to flame about the below do it privately. If you then feel like you
need to email me, feel free, but leave the group out unless it is
positive and helpful!)
IMHO, Perl is REALLY nice for heavy pattern matching stuff. Database
access in Perl gave me a VERY hard time, YMMV! Without really meaning
to, almost all my database stuff has moved to Python, since its really
pretty easy, plus you get all the pattern matching stuff (although a bit
differently - read that as 'learning curve warning' for Perl programmers
J)
RoR has some, to me, weird rules on what page you can go to next. I
never could get it to reload the same page after someone asked to resort
the columns. Probably my error, and maybe the documentation is better
now, but there you have it.
Python with Django, once you get used to changing your urls.py file
after adding a new page, works pretty nicely for me. Expect to have to
use templates, even if you don't think you will. They let you do some
pretty nice things even if you don't care about CSS and heavy eye kandy.
(Actually, they are pretty much required if you want to really use
Django effectively, IMHO).
Bash - easy to test without a web browser. I haven't used this for web
stuff in a LONG time. If I had a compute intensive thing I'd probably
use Python and 'shell out' to a C or C++ program for the CPU intensive
stuff) (Or maybe look at PHP, what with Jon and Keith's comments)
Java - been using Java for a disk test system. Have not tried any
web-based stuff for it. If you know C++ you shouldn't have too much
trouble picking up Java, but beware there are subtle but critical
differences (and, of course, the terms are similar but different...). I
have learned to hate the 'one class per file, and the names must match'
rule, but oh well that's just me.
Seeing Jon's comments re-iterating Keith's PHP comments, maybe I'll have
to take a look at PHP...
Note that my attitude about languages has a large impact on how I view C
vs C++ vs Java vs Python vs APL. If you think that Java and C++ are
completely different languages then please ignore my comments above, as
they will probably not help you at all!
And, FINALLY, an explanation, of sorts:
(* - "I'm 90% done - it only took 3 weeks! Good, the other 10% will
only take another 3 weeks!" ;-) Aka "I'm 90% done, now I've only got
the OTHER 90% left to do!"
Rusty
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