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Author: Michael Havens
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Subject: Re: networking ubuntu and mint and windows
>"Personally, I am not a fan of NFS. If I want files on another machine,I
> open Nautulus (desktop file browser in Ubuntu), and type:>


> ssh://myothermachine


>I now have a windows that I can drag and drop files to and from. And if
>I want to run something on that machine, I will use Free-NX. And it can
>use the same SSH tunnel to do both.


This is what I had in mind when I started this venture; but I think it
would be good to learn both NFS and Free-NX.

So I restarted the service, (it was nfs-kernel-service if you care).




On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Kevin Fries <> wrote:

> NFS is file sharing, like mounting a server directory in Windows. In
> the Windows platform, there are two programs that are installed as part
> of the standard Windows: Server, and Workstation.
>
> Server is what creates shares on your system that others can see through
> network neighborhood (or whatever MS is calling it this week, Network
> Places?)
>
> Workstation is the software that makes the link and makes it available
> to the current machine.
>
> Linux can install SMB to connect, or share its folders using the Windows
> protocol, called CIFS (old references will still call it SMB, which is
> its predecessor)
>
> Linux also has support for the old Unix equivalent, NFS, or Network File
> System. In NFS, the Server portion is handled by a daemon, and you
> create your shares though the /etc/exports file. The client side is
> handled via the standard mount command. But it is just a second
> protocol to handle the same task.
>
> Windows systems can also mount NFS drives, but you have to find, and
> install, the software separately. Mac's btw act exactly like Linux
> machine's in this case, and therefore can mount NFS natively, or you can
> in stall the Samba to talk CIFS.
>
> What I thought you were talking about earlier was remote desktop access.
> This is a completely different topic.
>
> Remote desktop means that you will see machine-a's desktop on
> machine-b's screen. This allows you to run a program on machine-a while
> being currently logged into machine-b. For that, I recommended Free-NX.
>
> Again, you have the Windows technology, and the one everyone else uses.
>
> Windows natively has a program called Terminal Services. You can
> connect as a client to a server at any time. Every version since XP has
> had this software installed, but you are limited to 1-2 connections
> depending on your version of Windows. Ubuntu has a client for Terminal
> Server also.
>
> Linux and Mac machines generally use a program called VNC for remote
> desktop. It is included with every version I have ever seen of Linux
> (or is in the repositories). VNC has no security in it by default, so
> many tools have been built to secure the connection. The simplest is
> generally to tunnel it though a SSH connection.
>
> When I recommended Free-NX for remote desktop, It was due to the fact
> that you are obviously new to all of this, and wanted to point you to
> the easiest way to install the software. Free-NX will require you to
> have SSH setup between the machines (easy enough), and it will tunnel
> between the machine a VNC session. It hides all of this tough a very
> straightforward GUI, so it is fairly easy for a nubie.
>
> But Free-NX will not share files, it only let you see the desktop on the
> other side.
>
> NFS will not let you see the other side, or run programs on the remote
> machine, it will only share files.
>
> Personally, I am not a fan of NFS. If I want files on another machine,
> I open Nautulus (desktop file browser in Ubuntu), and type:
>
> ssh://myothermachine
>
> I now have a windows that I can drag and drop files to and from. And if
> I want to run something on that machine, I will use Free-NX. And it can
> use the same SSH tunnel to do both.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 14:35 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> > I am confused..... what exactly does NFS do? Maybe we should do both!
> > Below is the /etc/exports file i created for the computer I decided to
> > make the server
> >
> >      # /etc/exports: the access control list for filesystems which may
> > be exported
> >      /            192.168.0.0(ro) 192.168.0.1(ro) 192.168.0.4(rw,sync)
> >      /home    192.168.0.2(ro,sync)

> >
> > (computers)
> >
> >      (192.168.0.0) I don't know where this device is. I figure it has
> > to do with the router.
> >      (192.168.0.1) Is the address to the router
> >      (192.168.0.2) is the address to the windows box
> >      (192.168.0.3) is the address to the designated server
> >      (192.168.0.4) Is the address to the laptop wifi

> >
> > This is /etc/hosts.deny:
> >
> >      portmap : all
> >      lockd : all
> >      mountd : all
> >      rquotad : all
> >      statd : all

> >
> > this is /etc/allow:
> >
> >      portmap 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> >      lockd :  192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> >      mountd :  192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> >      rquotad :  192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> >      statd :  192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4

> >
> > this being completed the next step in my guide tells me that these
> > daemons need to be started:
> > rpc.portmap
> >      rpc.mountd,
> >      rpc.nfsd
> >      rpc.statd,
> >      rpc.lockd (if necessary), and
> >      rpc.rquotad

> >
> > google says that startup scrips are in /etc/init.d but in that directory
> the only rpc is rpcbind-boot which is a link to /lib/init/upstart-job
> > which is a script... one of the lines in it says:
> >
> >
> >
> >      # Symlink target for initscripts that have been converted to
> Upstart.

> >
> > I'm a little lost! How do I get these scripts and add them to init.d or
> where should I put them?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Kevin Fries <>
> > wrote:
> >         Sorry I was slow to jump in on this one...

> >
> >         NX rocks.  I disagree that it is a pain to set up.  It uses
> >         VNC and SSH
> >         to remote the desktop.  Ubuntu .deb packages exist on their
> >         site, so
> >         install is pretty simple.  And, it is as secure as anything
> >         short of
> >         full scale enterprise class application.

> >
> >         HTH
> >         Kevin

> >
> >         On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 12:53 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> >         > which way do you think is best for the learning experience?
> >         >
> >         > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Stephen
> >         <> wrote:
> >         >         you can use rlogin via ssh, and then xming and putty
> >         to do the
> >         >         same
> >         >         from windows to Linux boxes.

> >         >
> >         >         these will maintain the most open options. I have
> >         use the
> >         >         xming/putty
> >         >         combination and its pretty nice. and as secure as
> >         your ssh
> >         >         session :-)

> >         >
> >         >         On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Matt Graham
> >         >         <> wrote:
> >         >         > From: Michael Havens <>
> >         >         >> No MAC. Two Linux boxes and 1 Windows XP box.  Is
> >         there a
> >         >         way to
> >         >         >> make it so that I can have the desktop of the
> >         other
> >         >         computer on
> >         >         >> another or else is this all text?
> >         >         > [snip]

> >         >         >
> >         >         > That's a bit of a different question, and has
> >         nothing to do
> >         >         with NFS.  This is
> >         >         > more like "remote access".  There are a bunch of
> >         ways; here
> >         >         are the most
> >         >         > popular:

> >         >         >
> >         >         > VNC/TightVNC : Totally cross-platform, tested,
> >         stable,
> >         >         etcetera.  On 'Doze,
> >         >         > TightVNC Server will, if run, make the 'Doze
> >         desktop
> >         >         available to clients.  On
> >         >         > Linux, you want x11vncserver or its
> >         GUIfied/friendly
> >         >         counterparts KDE Desktop
> >         >         > Sharing or the GNOME equivalent (vino?).  Many
> >         clients
> >         >         exist.  Pick your
> >         >         > favorite; they usually have "vnc" in their name
> >         somewhere.
> >         >          NOTE:  vncserver
> >         >         > and tightvncserver create a virtual Display
> >         instead of
> >         >         sharing an
> >         >         > already-existing Display.

> >         >         >
> >         >         > Windows Desktop Sharing : A 'Doze box can share
> >         its desktop
> >         >         to remote clients.
> >         >         >  There's a Linux client called rdesktop that works
> >         pretty
> >         >         well.  Last I
> >         >         > checked, there was a proof-of-concept Linux server
> >         that
> >         >         didn't work all that
> >         >         > well, so this is pretty much one-way only.

> >         >         >
> >         >         > NXServer : Proprietary free as in beer, but quite
> >         fast over
> >         >         low-bandwidth
> >         >         > links.  It's a bit of a pain to set up.  It works
> >         well once
> >         >         it's been set up.

> >         >         >
> >         >         > X11 : Can be used, usually isn't, since most
> >         modern X
> >         >         servers are started with
> >         >         > -nolisten tcp , and GTK+ apps tend to behave badly
> >         when not
> >         >         able to connect to
> >         >         > a local X socket.

> >         >         >
> >         >         > sshing to a Linux box is usually much faster than
> >         dragging a
> >         >         GUI around.  But
> >         >         > there are ways if you really need them.  Don't
> >         forget that
> >         >         you can "ssh -Y
> >         >         > remotehost xclient" to ssh to remotehost, then
> >         tunnel X over
> >         >         ssh, so that
> >         >         > xclient is running on remotehost, but displaying
> >         on your
> >         >         local Display, which
> >         >         > may be useful in some cases.

> >         >         >
> >         >         > --
> >         >         > Matt G / Dances With Crows
> >         >         > The Crow202 Blog:  http://crow202.org/wordpress/
> >         >         > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light
> >         too dim for
> >         >         us to see

> >         >         >

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> >         >

> >         >

> >         >
> >         >         --
> >         >         A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock,
> >         will prevent
> >         >         you from
> >         >         rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit
> >         the snooze
> >         >         button.

> >         >
> >         >         Stephen

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