On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:49 PM, der.hans <
PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:
> Am 30. Oct, 2010 schwätzte Eric Shubert so:
>
>
> On 10/30/2010 07:18 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think anything but the best,
>>> most state of art Drupal installation should be in place for a Linux
>>> group, but that's just me.
>>>
>>>
>> I agree with this, as I expect most PLUG members would.
>> Is this an impractical goal?
>> Is there some reason it cannot be done? What would it take?
>> Lisa seems to indicate that perhaps Hans needs to delegate some of his
>> responsibilities, or am I reading her comments wrong?
>>
>
> Please do not read into my historical defensive statements related to the
upgrades for the Drupal 24X7 application.
> To whom? :)
>
> ( BTW, this isn't directed directly at you or anybody else. Indeed, your
> successful server build workshop is proof that you are helping PLUG. )
>
Please, we are a comUNITY, and Hans, runs it as a "one man show"
because he has had to.
> I have delegated it and it hasn't happened. The upgrades that did
> happen were because I finally took time to do the upgrades. Others have
> helped with site or OS maintenance ( specifically Alex, Larry, Brian,
> Jason, Lisa, Dennis, Ryan and Andrew ( and probably others ) ), but Drupal
> updates languished.
>
They languished because there was a specification (retention of function or
feature or data) that would be lost with the change in modules and version:
Cannot do recurring events in Drupal 6.x yet.
Hans expressed a need to keep the archeological dig that are all the past
events,
which I agree exist of a valuable historical "footprint" of PLUG through
the years.
This is a 24X7 application; only the very highest most experiences Linux
engineers, and developers, working under a very cohesive change control
schedule with "spares" are competent to be able to integrate an update
without
extensive downtime, and ensure we can immediately roll back.
We all have extremely overloaded schedules, so coordination of our skills
takes a full time project manager. Hans is successful because he chooses
this most rewarding investments with his time.
>
> As before, the key with moving to Joomla! is with the stipulation that I
> don't have to do web site maintenance. We moved to Drupal when the
> stipulation didn't hold true before. I hope the Joomla! move this time is
> successful and we truly have a group maintaining it. There is so much we
> can do for PLUG, but *we* need to do it.
>
I SERIOUS disagree with moving to Joomla! I have a few Joomla out there,
and
it's just not going to meet our needs.
REALLY the blame game is useless; it did not happen because it was not the
right time.
I apologize for starting this dialogue.
Let's instead discuss 501c Nonprofit status for the PLUG -- any volunteers
to do that for us?
>
> I think we should regularly get OS and application updates, especially
> security updates.
>
> It would also be great to get new functionality when it becomes available.
>
> I honestly don't care what we run ( as long as it's Free Software ). What
> I want is something that can be a great resource for the group and helps
> us build out a more vibrant community.
>
> It would be awesome if I could delegate everything I do for PLUG :).
>
Thanks very much Hans for your contribution!
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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> and
> # write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn." -- Alvin
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