Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

Wait a minute.  There are reports that is cost $2500 to pay the coyote to bring them here. $2500 in nothing to sneeze at.

There is a lot more to this story than we know.  This is huge.

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Keith Smith

--- On Tue, 5/18/10, Matt Iavarone <matt.iavarone@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Matt Iavarone <matt.iavarone@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 6:46 PM

Again, you are showing your ignorance.  If you enter without inspection, you cannot apply for a visa or change your status.  You have to go back to your native country, subject to a ban of up to 10 years, and then apply and wait, and of course pay through the nose with non existant funds.

On May 18, 2010 9:04 PM, "JD Austin" <jd@twingeckos.com> wrote:


On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 16:57, Matt Iavarone <matt.iavarone@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> This is perhaps t...I appreciate your comment but I disagree naturally :)  Sure they'd love to be US citizens but they choose not to go through the process. 

They likely chose to come here illegally because it's easier, they didn't have the money to file the paperwork (whoever lured them here illegally should have sponsored them and paid it), or fulfill the requirements (such as speaking English proficiently), or wait to be approved.  It is a slap in the face to the millions of Mexican Americans that came here legally and followed the rules just ask any of them (I have). 



I'm a god father to children in two different such families with extended branches of non-legal family members.  I've seen this issue from both sides.  Sure I feel sorry for them and I'd
probably do the same thing in their circumstance but as soon as I was here I'd start the process to become a legal citizen.  Of the extended families I've seen with 1/2 or more illegal citizens many of them started out illegal but became legal citizens in the amnesty in the 80s, others were born here after their parents came here illegally, and the rest are still breaking the law. 



Just the fact that they are here illegally fuels more illegal activity.  The ones that aren't here legally get fake/stolen IDs and Social security cards in order to work.  Many join gangs, steal cars, sell drugs, and conduct other illegal activity to make money.  The ones that have been convicted of a crime will never be allowed to be US citizens.  That was all in LA but I'm sure the same thing happens here.  If they had come here legally I doubt they'd be doing any of that as they're otherwise good people.



It's natural that they don't want this new law enforced; if half of my family was here illegally I wouldn't want it enforced either.  It's very sad that many of the people that are here illegally have been here since they were small children and despite the fact that they were born in Mexico it would be a foreign country to them if they returned.  If their parents had become naturalized US citizens they also would be Us citizens as long as they were under 18.  It's not their fault that their parents brought them here illegally but it's also doesn't change that they must take measures to become a legal citizen if they wish to stay here. 



I hope enforcement of this new law will prompt many here illegally to become legal American citizens (I believe they already are doing that) and for these large political groups currently fighting it to put up the money, people, and other resources help them through that process. 


Think about it for a minute and you'll realize that we actually need more laws like this to change the status quo and to stop the exploitation of these great people. 

JD




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