Re:

website development seems like the only thing I would want to do so Ruby it
is! Unfortunately, it isn't on my Ubuntuu install. When I tried to start it
it told me to apt-get it. No internet connection.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Joseph Sinclair
<plug-discussion@stcaz.net>wrote:

> Let's not devolve into a favorite language war. There are situations where
> Python is a great language choice, and situations where it's terrible.
> Every language choice comes down to what you want to accomplish.
> Some languages are good for rapid development of websites (Ruby, PHP,
> etc...).
> Some languages are good for systems management scripts (Python, Perl,
> etc...).
> Some languages are good for developing large web systems intended to be
> maintained for years (Java, others).
> Some languages are good for developing packaged COTS software (C++, Java,
> etc...).
> Some languages are good for system software and embedded devices (C, C++,
> etc...).
> Many languages are most useful in very specific niches (Forth, Lisp, ADA,
> XSLT, LOLCode, Objective-C, etc...)
>
> Most languages have multiple areas where they work well, and multiple areas
> where they're not so good.
> What exactly you want to accomplish in your software development should
> drive the language choice, although it rarely does.
>
> No one particular language is the best choice for learning how to write
> software; each type of software development will drive a different choice of
> the best "first" language to learn.
>
> Mike, you need to specify your goal more precisely in order for the
> community here to give you a useful recommendation that will help you best
> accomplish that goal.
>
> ==Joseph++
>
> Kevin Fries wrote:
> > Wow, now I know why it is so hard to hire people that are competent!
> Python is fun, not right, but fun... Thats your argument? If you want to
> know why we refuse to hire Python programmers at our company, I can give you
> real facts on why you should not use that language as a place to learn...
> Not opinions.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Sent from my Nokia phone
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Zeidner
> > Sent: 02/20/2010 4:17:23 PM
> > Subject: Re:
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Seems like we have a lot of opinions here. Here is a paper from ACM
> >> on the use of Python in for teaching programming.
> >>

> >>    http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=114017

> >
> > sorry wrong link:
> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1140123.1140177
> >

> >        -jmz

> >
> >> -jmz
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Austin William Wright
> >> <diamondmagic@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >>> Alan Dayley wrote:
> >>>> Python.
> >>>>
> >>> Absolutely NOT PYTHON. It breaks the first two rules of programming,
> the
> >>> assignment operator (=) assigns values to a variable, and always ignore
> >>> whitespace. Well my first two rules, at least. Plus it sucks at
> >>> consistent use of object-oriented programming.
> >>>
> >>> If you *really* need a general-purpose programming language, look at
> >>> Ruby, it's slightly more well behaved. Slightly. I would recommend
> >>> Javascript, it's a major programming language, and you can run it in
> >>> your web browser with literally nothing to install. Plus Javascript is
> >>> closely related to XML and HTML, while not programming languages, are
> >>> markup languages (a way of storing data) that is becoming very
> important
> >>> to know for many things. Though designed for the web, many of these
> >>> things are finding themselves become part of everyday computing,
> >>> especially XML. For these things, http://www.w3schools.com/ is
> popular.
> >>>
> >>> Any scripting language might be a good start at learning about
> >>> if/then/else logic, but none of these languages are going to teach how
> >>> computers really *process* or *store* information on the inside (how
> the
> >>> CPU executes the program or how variables are stored in memory), or for
> >>> that matter write an actual interactive computer program, you will need
> >>> a real language like C or C++. After learning something like Javascript
> >>> you will find C surprisingly limited in functionality if you try and do
> >>> things the same way, especially variable-length variables like strings
> >>> and arrays. Keep that fact in the back of your head for when, if, you
> >>> attempt C/C++.
> >>>
> >>> Whatever you do, Google "<x> tutorial" should bring up something good.
> >>> In the way of books, however, you can't miss ones from O'Reilly (
> >>> http://oreilly.com/ ), they are jade/teal and have a random animal on
> >>> the cover.
> >>>
> >>> Austin Wright.
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> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
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