Mister Coleman. This is that cable guy you had out at your place to repair
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On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:49 PM,
unixprgrmr01@gmail.com <
unixprgrmr01@gmail.com> wrote:
> A few thoughts...
>
> - have a sales person sell the services of the group on a commission
> basis. this person could be a former sales person from Volt or Manpower or
> whatever Co. this could provide a steady stream of income to the sales
> person. a REAL bonus for a commissioned sales person.
> - possibly sell support contracts with set response times, as well as
> project services. members of the group could take turns being on call for
> various areas of expertise and be paid accordingly from the support contract
> income.
> - answering pages would also provide opportunities for the consultants to
> sell projects as well.
> - the above would leave the members independent, provide steady marketing
> for their skills and very possibly a steady income stream.
>
> Just some thoughts...
>
> Lynn
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Trent Shipley <trent_shipley@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> We met to talk about employee owned IT contracting firms, sharing space
>> with PLUG's Installfest. There were five participants, two were currently
>> independent IT practitioners and one had been and independent practitioner
>> in the past.
>>
>> There was a genuine feeling that small businesses were not getting the
>> quality of IT service that they deserved and that the deficit got more
>> pronounced as businesses got smaller. Small businesses needed time-share IT
>> services. Quick response was essential. The service also needed to be
>> broad. No single practitioner can be competent to deal with every
>> eventuality that a reasonable customer base of small and medium businesses
>> might present. One person suggested that someone looking to get into
>> serving small businesses should call dentists, doctors, lawyers, Realtors,
>> construction firms, and so on, to see who is providing their IT service now.
>>
>> Although the initial discussion was about an employee owned consulting
>> firm, the preponderance of successful, independent practitioners drove the
>> conversation to focus on organizational forms that would enhance business
>> for small, independent IT practitioners. The conversation generally moved
>> from solutions that would reduce independence but give reliable incomes, to
>> solutions that left independent practitioners independent.
>>
>> The employee owned company theoretically keeps its focus on engineering
>> and technology. It also should provide relatively secure steady incomes for
>> the employees. The big down side is that the founders take on
>> entrepreneurial risk without the potential reward of becoming
>> disproportionately wealthy if the company succeeds.
>>
>> Another potential form of cooperative is a firm that outsources all the
>> real work to subcontractors. The virtual IT firm handles contracts,
>> marketing and sales, but the actual work is done by subcontracted
>> (independent) experts. While this could be an entrepreneurial model, the
>> version envisioned in the discussion would be owned by member IT
>> practitioners and would award subcontracts to members. The cooperative
>> would be very selective about what IT practitioners or firms could become
>> members.
>>
>> We observed that independent practitioners (which for practical purposes
>> includes IT groups of up to ten or so employees) need to be lean, wear
>> multiple hats, and bridge the people gap. Marketing and sales can be a
>> challenge for the independent IT practitioner since these skills will not
>> come naturally to most of them. We thought that the professions--dentistry,
>> medicine, law, and architecture are role models for the IT practice.
>> Construction contracting may be an even better model especially because IT
>> practitioners will have to deal with fraudulent and non-fraudulent
>> non-payment, shady characters, and so on. The former independent
>> practitioner said that the only resource that delivered value to his
>> practice was the Arizona Small Business Association. Networking groups were
>> worse than useless because they attracted sales monkeys, dreamers, ne'er do
>> wells, and fraudsters in overwhelming numbers. Also, one should studiously
>> avoid any trade or barter deals. Work for real money.
>>
>> Nevertheless, I observed that professionals built their practices on
>> referrals, and referrals meant networking with peers. Other participants
>> said they not only needed an referral network for building a practice, but
>> also so they could refer customers to trusted providers when there was work
>> that they were not competent to do.
>>
>> As a result, the proposal that generated the most interest was one to form
>> a professional association for small, independent IT practitioners. This
>> association would help members built referral networks the same way that
>> professional associations help other professions. The association could
>> also provide resources on effective marketing and sales. Like other
>> networking groups, this one would be a magnet for undesirable
>> elements--namely those trying to sell to the valid membership, those who
>> imagine themselves to be technical professionals, and those looking to
>> commit fraud. Therefore the association would need effective membership
>> barriers.
>>
>> One employee owned start up that failed in the Valley was AZ Refresh, a
>> web development community.
>>
>> It was also suggested that it would be useful to talk to Ed Nusbaum and
>> Francine Hardaway about their experience starting AZIPA.
>>
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