As an ex-Canadian, I can give you several specific personal examples of why moving towards the Canadian more socialist health care model is NOT desirable. (Eg I got tainted blood transfusions at the very same time that 2 hours drive away in New York state, the blood was being screened!)
As someone who knows a US vet, I can give you a specific example of why you should NOT TRUST the government to mess any more with your health care. (eg his foot became infected with a diabetes-related issue, and he had to fight them to keep them from cutting it off!!!)
Kaia
> > I agree our health care system is not as good as it
> could be. I worked for an HMO 12 years ago and saw it first hand.
> >
> > We need freedom not restriction. We need to be
> free of the current model of health care. I feel the model is
> alternative health care backed by a indemnity health insurance plan.
> A plan that lets you go to the doctor and pay them directly. An
> insurance plan that makes you responsible for 20% of your charges.
...
> backs and have government fund health care and let businesses stop
> paying the obscene amounts for health care. Taking the insurance
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--- On Sun, 8/2/09, Craig White <
craigwhite@azapple.com> wrote:
> From: Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> Subject: Re: ****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 6:21 PM
> On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 17:33 -0700,
> keith smith wrote:
> >
> > So pumping trillions of dollars into special interest
> projects is how we save the economy.
> >
> > Saving GM was about the democrat party buying
> votes. Look who owns GM now. This is I did you a favor now you owe
> me a favor type of politics.
> >
> > Not to mention this is more than likely
> unconstitutional. Have you read the constitution lately? The federal
> government is allotted very little especially when you read the 10th
> Amendment.
> >
> > I wonder if I get my credit card out and run it up to
> the limit if I will end up better off?
> >
> > The free market has not failed. The government
> has failed in trying to manage it and our money supply ECT.
> >
> > Lets look at one simple sector of our economy.
> The housing market. The housing market is where the down turn in our
> economy started. And it all was mostly in the Phoenix area.
> >
> > Did you know the housing market is in a state of
> recovery in Phoenix. How would I know about this. I am trying to buy
> a house. While houses are at 30% - 50% lower in price now than 2
> years ago, houses are being bid on and competition has returned. The
> government has had little to do with the recovery in the Phoenix
> housing market. It has been through private investment.
> >
> > One thing that has been neglected is that markets
> adjust. It is natural. When the government gets involved the
> problems are exasperated and I believe will ultimately be made worse.
> >
> > Hyper inflation is projected to be in our
> future.
> >
> > When I make statements about government needing to be
> pruned to the tune of 85% all I have to do is look at the Arizona
> government that has grown 60% in the past 5 years. 60% in 5 years.
> >
> > What is our state government doing today that we now
> know that we were deprived of before 2004 ?
> >
> > It has been said that Bush spent more during his
> tenure than all the presidents before him combined. Obama is going to
> make what Bush spent look like pocket change.
> >
> > This alone is an indicator that government need to be
> timed back substantially.
> >
> > Sales tax in California is now 9.75%. Almost 10%
> of everything bought in California is tax at one tenth. That is
> outrageous. And they are still having budget problems.
> >
> > Talking about budgets, when we cannot balance our
> budget government spending is out of control.
> >
> > I believe that reducing taxes and the size and scope
> of government will spur economic growth.
> >
> > Let the people vote with their dollars. Let them
> own and carry guns, as long as they have proven to be responsible, let
> them eat cheese burgers if the choose, let them chose their doctor and
> their insurance plan.
> >
> > I agree our health care system is not as good as it
> could be. I worked for an HMO 12 years ago and saw it first hand.
> >
> > We need freedom not restriction. We need to be
> free of the current model of health care. I feel the model is
> alternative health care backed by a indemnity health insurance plan.
> A plan that lets you go to the doctor and pay them directly. An
> insurance plan that makes you responsible for 20% of your charges.
> >
> > Lets un-handcuff our medical professionals so they can
> do what they do best.
> >
> > Lets un-handcuff our businesses. You are self
> employed. How do you feel every quarter when you send in your taxes?
> I feel cheated.
> >
> > I think freedom is the answer. So did our
> Founding Fathers.
> ----
> you are all over the map.
>
> The National Debt went from less than 2 trillion to over 10 trillion
> under Bush.
>
> There's no suitable prediction for what the net effects of Obama's
> efforts will yield. The destruction of the world economy and a
> depression perhaps larger than that experienced in the 1930's was
> probably if the government had not stepped in and propped up some of
> these companies. If you have an argument to make about that, by all
> means make one. The fact is we printed money to fight an expensive war
> in Iraq that we couldn't afford and pumped up the economy on a false
> housing bubble that burst because there was no oversight over the
> lenders and the bundling of the loans. I personally lay this at Bush's
> feet.
>
> Chicago is 10% sales tax
> NY, NY is 9+% sales tax
> by the time our own state government gets through, we will be above 9%
>
> The freedom of which you speak is a platitude. It has no basis to the
> reality of our current economic conditions, all caused by lack of
> government oversight into lending and the bundling of the securities
> bundles created with these terrible lending practices. Free market is
> the problem not the solution.
>
> If you want to spur economic growth, take the monkey off businesses
> backs and have government fund health care and let businesses stop
> paying the obscene amounts for health care. Taking the insurance
> companies out of the equation saves at least $400B annually. Then
> businesses can compete. Small businesses can no longer afford to
> purchase health care for their employees. It has become obscenely
> expensive.
>
> Craig
>
>
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