On 7/30/09, JD Austin <
jd@twingeckos.com> wrote:
> The 'other' model isn't working any better. My wife works in an Urgent
> Care; tons of Canadians come here to get the health care they need. I think
> the whole industry needs to be more competitive; most things in health care
> shouldn't cost what they do.
>
Inefficiency in preventative care, diagnostics, errors in surgery, the
truth is incredibly expensive.
But just because Canadians come here for care doesn't mean it's not working.
That is much too simplistic. Gain from insurance systems (or
governments) is a terrible enforcer in a triangulated model. I am
unsure which is worse, human ignorance about medicine, or lack of
intelligent analysis, process review and enforcement in all systems
(beit science, IT or medicine).
Humans must speak out and enforce through personal education, direct
questioning, and notification to the press (our clearing houses),
which simply is not the American way.
Just in my lifetime, the huge numbers of medical errors for me and
mine are huge. I am sure when someone survives an illness (that could
have been prevented, treated or diagnosed 2 decades ago), while also
surviving the additional near death medical errors, one likes to shape
family and friends thinking toward miraculous "grace of god" rather
than take up the often useless attorney attempts for change available
through liability.
However, our medical systems must be changed for profitability for
local, national interests, and that must start with courts,
legislation and social care.
The time when our courts alone could work with free markets, sadly
died with my father's era.
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Lisa Kachold
> <lisakachold@obnosis.com>wrote:
>
>> Well, that is the American model?
>>
>> 1) Limited, inefficient and horrendously expensive health care (where
>> are the majority of my high school peers? dead) which exists as part
>> of the "insurance industry" (rather than the scientific and health
>> industries [which are non-existent!]
>> 2) Feeding frenzy of artifically exploding "value" and credit costs!
>> 3) Little "economic traps" everywhere! (We so loved our Monopoly games
>> as children?)
>> 4) Drugs actually used for government profit, agrandized by modern
>> media! See #1, where illness is not treated, so drugs become a common
>> man's answers.
>> 5) Alcohol that limits functioning and keeps people from developing
>> extensive critical thought.
>> 6) Lack of primary economic education (greater than the 6th grade level).
>> 7) Open borders so we have more minions within the matrix!
>>
>> On 7/30/09, JD Austin <jd@twingeckos.com> wrote:
>> > I was waiting to see how long until racism was called :)
>> > It is a fact that illegal immigration is costing Az and Ca plenty and
>> > pointing that out doesn't make him hate filled or racist. I don't blame
>> > them for coming here... If I were them I'd do it too. We need to remove
>> the
>> > 'free' incentives that we can no longer afford to provide. They're not
>> the
>> > only demographic freeloading services; plenty of Americans game the
>> system
>> > (generations!) to get a free ride too.
>> >
>> > Such a conversation doesn't belong on this list about Linux and
>> technology.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 22:33 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
>> >> > Perhaps you are looking at the wrong source.....we now have a $3
>> >> > Billion deficit.....check out these numbers in bold blue.........
>> >> ----
>> >> every state has a major deficit as they clearly were unprepared for
>> >> such
>> >> a drastic change in the economy.
>> >>
>> >> I find it offensive in every way that first JMZ linked the racist
>> >> article and now you found it worthy to paste. The article is not a news
>> >> story but rather an opinion piece and not really suitable for this
>> >> list.
>> >>
>> >> That anyone should scapegoat any group of people (not once but many
>> >> times) for causing this economic downturn is stupid. This is a bitter,
>> >> hate filled person and his comments have no place on this list.
>> >>
>> >> Craig
>> >>
>> >>
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