Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

If FAT is under licensing contention, m$ will be going after a great
many pendrive manufacturers.

FAT32 and FAT have literally no security. There is also XFAT and X64FAT.

http://www.forensicblog.org/2007/05/24/recovering-a-fat-filesystem-directory-entry-in-five-phases/

This means we can do all manner of things to liberate deleted data and
its always been very easy "ahem" to hide data in VFAT file systems
(assuming that no one will ever look there in a thousand penguin
years).

http://3d2f.com/tags/hide/crypt/directory/

Go look yourselves:
http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/man/fsstat.html

I love the way everyone is just layering ON security [rather than
changing bad things]
http://www.maverick-os.dk/FileSystemFormats/VFAT_LongFileNames.html

You do realize there are Ecommerce companies attempting to protect bad
database installation and permissions with Layer 7 switching? Cheers
to the reverse engineers or we would have no QA at all!

For you needing to get to the bottom of your mobile phones:
http://miatforensics.org/index.php

On 7/20/09, Bob Elzer <bob.elzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> I didn't realize that UDF was "Gaining popularity on non-optical media"
>
> Sounds like this may be what you are looking for, it sounds like almost
> everyone can read it.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On
>> Behalf Of der.hans
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:03 PM
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
>> Subject: RE: ext? as fat or ntfs?
>>
>> Am 20. Jul, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so:
>>
>> > My guess would be the easiest thing to do would be to
>> format it NTFS,
>> > since almost everything can read/write it.
>>
>> Nah, easiest thing would be to ignore and avoid proprietary
>> operating systems that insist on being incompatible :).
>>
>> As Ryan reiterated for me, the entire purpose of this is to
>> move to a free and open file system.
>>
>> If we can do so in such a way that vendors can use the same
>> mechanism we might get camera, flash memory, media player and
>> other manufacturers to move to free and open filesystems.
>>
>> > I do still agree with your point of view though, but
>> whatever free and
>> > open file system we can come up with, M$ will never add it to their
>> > OS's themselves, or back port it to their older systems.
>>
>> Well, let's figure out how to make it work without Redmond's
>> assistance.
>>
>> > Which means, always modifying the M$ system to read the free FS.
>>
>> Yup. But, can we do it in a reliable way?
>>
>> ciao,
>>

>> der.hans
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>>
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