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Author: Marco Savo
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Subject: Re: 1984 George Orwell and the Kindle
I don't understand what's the point, you can read for free on-line
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984
This copyright stuff is too messy for me to understand

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On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alan Dayley <> wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Ted Gould<> wrote:
> >
> > Honestly, I think that it's okay for people to do what they wish with
> > their content as long as they're upfront about it. And, I think that
> > Amazon has been with this device. I bought a Kindle (which I like) and
> > on doing that I realized lots of things:
> >
> >      * No more used books from the used book store
> >      * No more donating old books to the library
> >      * No more giving a book to a friend when I'm done

> >
> > All of these are big negatives for me, but there were lots of positives
> > and I'm actually impressed with where Amazon has gotten some of the
> > publishers to go (considering all are probably a hard sell)
> >
> >      * You can highlight text and that text is saved on your device in
> >        a text file that is properly attributed.  Easy to add in blogs,
> >        etc.
> >      * You can get free samples of books pretty much as soon as they're
> >        released.
> >      * You can save clippings of periodicals.  I have tested to see how
> >        long this lasts and/or what format it's saved in.

> >
> > Also, not trivially, the books are cheaper and most periodicals don't
> > have ads in them (all the ones that I've gotten don't).
> >
> > I think that long term we'll see Amazon start to drop DRM just like
> > Apple has. Not because they want to, but because publishers will
> > realize that they're not in control, Amazon is. Just like the monster
> > the music publishers created in Apple. But, I think the genius here is
> > that Amazon seems to realize it too. They're not subsidizing the device
> > (which makes it expensive) and they have a revenue model when there is
> > no DRM through WhisperNet (which is a very cool idea). Plus, they used
> > the ePub standard for the format and their DRM. I think that Amazon is
> > just as happy to get rid of the DRM as soon as the publishers are.
> > Hopefully soon :)
>
> I am hopeful you are correct. The forces of openness are strong too,
> even when it's someone who does not understand but just wants to use
> his e-book like a real book.
>
> The big problem with this situation is that, according to the Ars
> Technica citation of the Terms of Service[1], book sales are supposed
> to be final. Before now, Amazon has not stated that they could or
> would unilaterally pull books from people's devices.
>
> Full disclosure and understanding is fine. In this case and many
> others, full disclosure does not occur. That's a problem.
>
> Alan
>
> [1]
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/amazon-sold-pirated-books-raided-some-kindles.ars
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