On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Ryan Rix <
phrkonaleash@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tuna wrote:
> > Top posting as a crazed act of revenge,
> D:<
>
> >
> > I'm actually with Ryan on this one.
> :O What??
>
> > Open Source is almost trendy,
> > largely because of Google and their Android platform. Now netbook owners
> > everywhere will brag about their Linux-based open source operating
> > system, forgetting the freedoms they give up with could computing. And
> > people ask my why I hate Google (nothing personal, I know Google peeps
> > watch this list, I just don't like your employer).
> Open Source *IS* trendy. Open Source has been trendy since Firefox. And
> I don't even consider Firefox Free Software in its most liberal sense.
> As more and more 'regular' people get involved and become users (as the
> OSI, FSF and all the
>
> >
> > There was an article in last month's Free Software Foundation Bulletin
> > about Free network services. Featured were Libre.fm and Identi.ca, Free
> > software replacements for last.fm and Twitter, respectively. I guess
> > that's all we can do, get creative web people on our side, using the
> > AGPL.
> Even with the Affero, it doesn't really help the regular user without a
> webserver or anything to run a webservice on. You can't just turn
> around, pop it into GCC and say "here I go, a new veresion of
> Identi.ca!" It's just not that simple. So, the majority of users will be
> bound to nonfree (in my view, anyways) software.
>
> The Affero misses out on an important point, imo: How can a user be
> granted the same freedom as the software creators without putting either
> at risk? How do you deal with, if you somehow find a way to allow the
> users' modifications to run on the software developer's dataset (as it
> should!) without the risk of comprimising others' data. Virtualization
> could play a huge part here, but it is only half the battle.
>
> >
> > Jesus, I miss the days of finger. Social networking done right!
> Were you even born back then? :P
>
> Ryan
>
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