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Author: Lisa Kachold
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To: dorian.monroe, Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Free Webhost
Never fear, we are on the precipice of Nationwide Wifi:

http://www.fastcompany.com/news/2008/11/4-cheap-nationwide-wifi.html
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/007921.html

Why mandate what is already available in competition? I.E. Any free company
can now provide competition; they just need the media [co-ax cable, rj11]
(like USWest).

We already have your solution; it's called dial-up.

Bandwidth and support costs are managed in these ways, at least for the most
part.
People like us are only perhaps 5% of the population.

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:55 PM, <> wrote:

> Nice thought, but really, I don't think this is even viable. I'm sure the
> hackers would be all for that though. Oh goody! Now 95% of the people
> using cox are unprotected from everything! And the isp's responsibility
> would be limited to their modem (cpe). Can't get to your email? Yeah, we
> only provide bandwidth now so you have to provide your own email, but you
> can set up your own server! Can't get to the internet? Well we can see
> that your modem is functioning properly, must be a problem with your
> internal network... Verify that your IP/subnet/gw is configured properly.
> G'bye! Mom & pop just want to be able to get on the internet to check
> their email and browse a bit. Their bandwidth would likely go down with the
> hundreds (thousands?) of port scanners that would be hammering their Windows
> ME box constantly. Why to they have to pay MORE and have to purchase extra
> equipment (router since they likely don't have one for their one pc) and
> learn about security when they don't have to, need to, or want to?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed <>
>
> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:13:12
> To: Main PLUG discussion list<>
> Subject: Re: Free Webhost
>
>
> Would anyone like to start a state initiative that limits our ISPs to
> managing only the bandwidth of their service as provided to users
> (enforcing Network Neutrality), require that all customers must be
> provided only static IP addresses, and full port ranges* - with rare
> technical & temporary exceptions granted by the corporation
> commission, the option to the customer of IPv6 or IPv4 at no cost
> diffrerential as of 2010, and finally that any customer that is
> experiencing a "to the property line/to the wall" monopoly on wire or
> optical line based service may elect to be covered under a corporation
> commision managed, rate & service monoply controle.
>
> oh, and any physical network infrastructure may not be replaced unless
> it has the identical regulatory regime and third party accesses as the
> prior infrastructure, with the most liberal (open access) being
> propogated forward into any improved infrastructure - with all prior
> infrastructure (wire to fiber - this is you) grandfatherd
> retroactively. Public services must be under a ratchet when it comes
> to increasing access to the channels, there is no ethical reason to
> improve our infrastructure and lock in our citizens into a monopoly.
> this is simply incremental servitude and a public bad. a kickback at
> best, a fraud on the state at worst.
>
> *if you need to have ports blocked, pay a bit extra, it's a service -
> not the base condition. one of many that could be offered
>
> just sayin' this should not be a problem for Arizonans - and probably
> the only thing that might save Arizona from becoming the west's most
> backward state.
>
> or you can just be meat on the hoof for out of state interests. its
> plantation technology and bad.
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Lisa Kachold <>
> wrote:
> > Well, only linux type people would try to hammer down a vague requirement
> > (cox use) out of sheer ethical intent, when the rest of the world equates
> > stipulations this non-specific as a license to steal!
> >
> > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM, James Mcphee <> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't remember them specifying hardware vs software servers. I think
> >> we're assuming software servers in this case.
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Stephen <> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> server desktop and workstation are simply a role definition of how a
> >>> computer is used
> >>>
> >>> regardless of OS/Hardware.
> >>>
> >>> It is our need to specialize hardware fro the roles and those needs
> >>> that makes it common for people think that the hardware is what
> >>> defines a role.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Lisa Kachold <>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Well, "server" under Linux is vague (since a desktop is certainly as
> >>> > powerful), however the business use stipulations also are
> unreasonable,
> >>> > unenforceable, and the description certainly doesn't cover home
> >>> > business or
> >>> > remote access for work purposes, as well?
> >>> >
> >>> > Many people run Windows MSN Entertainment "servers"; by definition
> TIVO
> >>> > or
> >>> > MythTV is a server?
> >>> >
> >>> > ---> Lisa Playing Devil's Advocate!
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Judd Pickell <>
> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Depending on how you construe Server, I think that most people would
> >>> >> be in
> >>> >> violation of this, considering the vast amount of software that runs
> a
> >>> >> process continually that listens on specific ports and responds to
> >>> >> requests..
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sincerely,
> >>> >> Judd
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Lisa Kachold <
> >
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I believe we all have our interpretation of laws and rules in
> >>> >>> America;
> >>> >>> unless there are consequences?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Actually, you agree with the Acceptable Use Policy that you will
> not
> >>> >>> run
> >>> >>> a "server". It also addresses business use in a vague way (doesn't
> >>> >>> everyone
> >>> >>> use their home office for "business")?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Commercial Use. The Service is designed for personal, non-business
> >>> >>> related use of the Internet and may not be used for commercial
> >>> >>> purposes. You
> >>> >>> may not resell or otherwise charge others to use the residential
> >>> >>> Service.
> >>> >>> You agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet
> service
> >>> >>> provider, or for any other business enterprise, including, without
> >>> >>> limitation, IP address translation or similar facilities intended
> to
> >>> >>> provide
> >>> >>> additional access. Cox Business Services offers commercial Internet
> >>> >>> services.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Servers. You may not operate, or allow others to operate, servers
> of
> >>> >>> any
> >>> >>> type or any other device, equipment, and/or software providing
> >>> >>> server-like
> >>> >>> functionality in connection with the Service, unless expressly
> >>> >>> authorized by
> >>> >>> Cox.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> http://www.cox.com/policy/
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Bob Elzer <>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> My interpretation of the AUP, is that they don't want you running
> >>> >>>> then
> >>> >>>> "Next Slashdot" or "Face Book", with lots of traffic.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> If you are only going to use it for personal access, and maybe to
> >>> >>>> show
> >>> >>>> family photos to friends, then I don't think it would be a
> problem.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Are we talking Hundreds, Thousands, or 20 visitors ?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> ________________________________
> >>> >>>> From:
> >>> >>>> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> >>>> James
> >>> >>>> Finstrom
> >>> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:30 AM
> >>> >>>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> >>> >>>> Subject: OT: Free Webhost
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> So I have cox at home so I obviously would violate the AUP self
> >>> >>>> hosting
> >>> >>>> and frankly I am cheap... wait no frugal. Anyway I would like to
> >>> >>>> find a
> >>> >>>> place to host my domain free but without ads or if it has ads it
> >>> >>>> allows
> >>> >>>> choice of placement in the design.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I use the page for:
> >>> >>>> Public display of personal projects (usually involving LAMP
> >>> >>>> components
> >>> >>>> and libcurl is a definite desire)
> >>> >>>> Personal home page and info
> >>> >>>> Code dumping of projects and shell scripts for peer review.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I imagine traffic will be low as I am not that popular of a person
> >>> >>>> but
> >>> >>>> you can never have too much storage or bandwith..
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> James Finstrom
> >>> >>>>
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