Re: GNOME and focus stealing

Am 08. Mai, 2008 schwätzte Ted Gould so:

> On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 13:59 -0700, der.hans wrote:
>> Hmm, apparently not. Does X have to be restarted for gconf changes to take
>> effect?
>
> Not in general. GConf will signal the app to say that the value has
> been changed. Now, the app has to be well written enough to listen :)
> I'm sure metacity is.
>
>> [0] Focus stealing should've not been an issue in the first place.
>>
>> [1] We shouldn't have to go to gconf-editor to turn on an important
>> security feature.
>
> The problem comes with things like password dialogs. When Evolution
> prompts me for my PGP password it isn't actually the Evolution process
> doing that, it's Seahorse. And that's the way I want it. But I do want
> to be able to hit "Ctrl+Enter, ******, Enter" to send e-mail.

That's Evolution passing focus rather than focus stealing. Is there a way
for Evolution to say "if I have focus when seahorse pops up, please pass
that focus on to seahorse for me"?

If, however, you hit <ctrl>-<enter> and then move to another application
before seahorse starts up, then seahorse should not get the focus
automagically.

> In reality, X allows for this focus stealing in numerous cases. One

Bad X, bad, bad. :)

> would have to violate the X11 specification to disallow it. It's also
> possible to put a full screen event mask in place to do key logging. If

A key logger is yet another security reason for being able to control
what application has the focus.

> you're running X, at some level you're putting trust in a bunch of
> applications doing the right thing :)

Those running KDE claim it all works correctly under KDE. Is that just
because KDE requires better behavior from KDE applications?

> You might be interested in the NSA's X security extensions. I don't
> think that anyone's implemented them yet though.

I'll just switch to KDE next time I restart X. I'm installing a new laptop
this weekend, guess I'll go with Kubuntu on it.

ciao,

der.hans
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