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Author: Mike Schwartz
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To: Craig White
CC: PLUG-discuss mailing list, Mike L Schwartz
Subject: Re: lawyer Ira Schwartz, Nov. 19, 1996 memories, etc. (was: Re: [...] RIAA document)
On Jan 6, 2008 12:31 PM, Craig White <> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 11:32 -0700, Mike Schwartz wrote:
> > On 1/6/08, Craig White <> wrote:
> > > [...snip...] According to Roy
> > > Beckerman, lawyer defending several RIAA targets, this is no accident
> > > but rather the deliberate attempt by plaintiff (RIAA) to establish
> > > precedent and thereby codify their view of fair use.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...]
> >
> > "So far", this has been a very interesting thread.
> > I haven't followed (read) "all" of the links to outside interesting web pages,
> > but I did check out
> >     http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=401886&threshold=0&commentsort=5&mode=flat&cid=21859278
> > a little bit, and it has a link to
> >    http://web.archive.org/web/20070516072606/http://www.riaa.com/issues/ask/default.asp
> > which I found very interesting.
> >    HOWEVER, the main reason I am writing now, is that I noticed
> > that der.hans picked up on something about the lawyer Ira Schwartz.
> > (**NOTE**: no relation to me, as far as I know).
> >    It's just that, a lawyer named Ira M. Schwartz (probably the same guy)
> > came and spoke to the Phoenix Chapter ACM (which I was the treasurer
> > of "at the time) on Tues., Nov. 19, 1996.   (The meeting was also jointly
> > sponsored by the Phoenix Chapter of the IEEE Computer Society, and
> > I think also a SPIN group too). Ira Schwartz had been invited to speak by
> > the chairperson of the chapter, Tony Rizzo.  The topic of his talk was
> >     "Software and the law"
> > and the meeting was held at DeVry [2149 W Dunlap] and I can tell
> > you (I was there) that the presentation was very interesting.  I would even
> > say, fascinating.  Also, the speaker seemed to be knowledgeable and
> > sorta "able to see both sides" on a very wide range of issues.  Many of the
> > issues he mentioned seemed to me, to be of the kind that strikes one as,
> > "hey, that is really interesting, I haven't really thought about / realized some
> > of that before, (but I probably should have!)".
> >      A few days ago (probably 01Jan2008) I e-mailed Tony, to ask him whether
> > this lawyer (mentioned in this case) was the same guy.  I still have some
> > copies (paper) of the Newsletter that was mailed out announcing the meeting,
> > [hence the amount of specific details included above, way more than
> >    my "off hand" recollection would have probably been limited to]
> > and it says that, at the time, Ira M. Schwartz was
> >      << "the managing attorney for Schwartz & Associates,
> >             which emphasizes intellectual property law.
> >             [...]  Schwartz is [1996] a frequent lecturer on copyright
> >             and computer law topics, [...]" >>.
> > I may also have at least one electronic copy of that newsletter (probably in
> > an MS-word format "older than Word 97!") lying around somewhere...
> > -- I'd have to check, and so far I am too lazy --
> > so that will have to remain a definite "maybe".
> >      Per his prompt e-mail reply, Tony Rizzo apparently hasn't kept in touch
> > with that lawyer / speaker (and - hey - it has been over 11 years), so he was
> > not sure whether this (the lawyer mentioned in this thread) is the same guy.
> > But I think he was local (living somewhere in the valley) at least, at
> > that time
> > [1996] so I think it is probably the same lawyer.
> >     Just thought this was interesting...
> > (even though - as far as I know - this lawyer Ira Schwartz is no
> > relation to me).
> ----
> #1 - I previously provided links to the slashdot article about the 'old'
> archived RIAA statements about fair use. That link however, is not the
> position of the RIAA today.

>
> #2 - It's clear that your Ira Schwartz and the attorney for the
> plaintiff RIAA v. Howell are one and the
> same...http://www.deconcinimcdonald.com/attorneys/schwartz.html
>
> #3 - Clearly you weren't using an up to date version of Microsoft Word
> 2003 or Word 2007 to open that old document because you would have been
> prevented from doing that (sanitized for your protection). I hope that
> you didn't violate Microsoft's intellectual property by using a
> non-Microsoft program to open that file.
>
> Next time you run into Ira, you might want to inquire if he sleeps well
> at night knowing that he earns his living by beating up citizens that
> can't afford representation. At least in this instance, it was neither
> an old lady nor a young kid but it appears that he did RIAA proud and
> would likely get more opportunities to build on this distinguished
> activity.
>
> Good to know that he isn't a relative but I recognize that all families
> have their 'black sheep' - First hand proof that you can steal more
> money with a pen than with a gun.
>
> Craig


Thanks, Craig, for your comments.
Here are some replies in response to some of them:

> Clearly you weren't using an up to date version of Microsoft Word
> 2003 or Word 2007 to open that old document [...]


The copies of the old newsletter that I did read, (the ones I have found so far)
are paper copies. Not electronic. Obviously some Hex editors can read
any file that has bits in it - - an I might seriously consider doing so, if I
find an old file that pre-dates "Word 97".
Actually, now that I think about it, any program (such as OOo or Wordpad)
that can read a *.rtf file, can probably read the old "Word 6.0" format...
Hmmm... I might have to re-name the file [to a *.rtf name]; but that is
speculation / future tense, since I may not be able to find the old file.

> [...] if he sleeps well at night [...]


Good one.
((maybe there is a course in law school that covers sleeping well...))

> all families have their 'black sheep' - [...]


TRUE! And in this case PUNNY too (since "schwartz" [spelled
without the "t" in German, because in German a "z" is always
pronounced as a "tz" sound even without the "t") means "black".
[der.hans could probably elaborate better than I could...]

> Next time you run into Ira, [...]


Not too often. Even Tony Rizzo has not kept in touch with Ira.
--
Mike Schwartz
Glendale AZ

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