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Author: Scottsdale Arizona Web Design
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To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Need to outsource programming or hire full-time
Jason Ho-Ching
Owner of several companies and sites including:
echazen.com
scottsdale arizona web design
zencart masters
askamormon.com
wearesamoa.com
480.355.1434

For the record, I used to post on the utah plug list at www.plug.org.
Every post there is highly visible on the search engines. Google my
name and you'll see a plug post on the first page. I have had job
postings there get put on google that discussed projects and what I am
paying to my programmers. This is the type of information I don't want
my clients to see. We bill our clients at $85/hr and I don't want
clients to see that we pay some programmers only $40/hr and what not.

This is why I didn't want all my personal info to be posted here because
I assumed it would be as public as the plug.org postings from utah.

I hope this clears up any confusion. I have posted my name and number
at the top. I might as well tell you what we're offering to pay, too,
since everything is now on the table. We are looking to pay between
$40/hr and $75/hr. Software engineers will make closer to $75/hr.
These are top-level developers only. The owner of the company in utah
will be interviewing the candidates to filter out the more inexperienced
developers. I have already had a very, very, very bad experience with a
programmer on this board. I was misled by this person and that is why I
am not doing the interviewing myself.

Please email me if you are interested. I am not going to give any more
information about the position on the plug list here but will reserve
this information for serious inquiries only.

Thank you.

==================================================================


Josh Coffman wrote:
> I'm sure the rest of the group would agree with me, and I appreciate
> the job posting on this list.
> It would be courteous of you to include your name and company in the
> signature when you post.
>
> Regards
> -j
>
> On 8/24/07, *Joshua Zeidner* <
> <mailto:jjzeidner@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>       Ok, I know who this is, I am not necessarily trying to put you down.

>
>       I think that you owe this community some kind of tangible
>     identity if you are claiming to be presenting a job opportunity. 
>     You have posted here before, and I have my opinions as to what the
>     issues are, but I think the community here has the right to at
>     least a consistent and regular identity.  I don't think you risk
>     any serious SEO problems.

>
>
>       -jmz

>
>
>
>     On 8/24/07, *Scottsdale Arizona Web Design* <
>     
>     <mailto:plug@scottsdalearizonawebdesign.com>> wrote:

>
>         I don't understand what the issue is here.  We aren't hiding
>         anything.  Scottsdale Arizona Web Design is owned by
>         eChazen.com.  We created that site for search engine
>         optimization purposes and will launch a new site for it.  It
>         was purchased a long time ago and only now are we seriously
>         considering launching it.

>
>         I didn't post under that name because of search engine
>         reasons.  I don't want plug list to come up when someone
>         searches the web for eChazen.com.  I only want our clients'
>         sites and our own site to turn up as results.  Scottsdale
>         Arizona Web Design is a competitive key term and plug list
>         messages shouldn't show up.

>
>         If you are interested, please email us at:

>
>         
>         <mailto:plug@scottsdalearizonawebdesign.com>

>
>         If not, that's fine. 

>
>         Randy Melder wrote:
>>         Whois Server Version 2.0

>>
>>         Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
>>         with many different competing registrars. Go to 

>>
>>
>>         http://www.internic.net
>>         for detailed information.

>>
>>
>>            Domain Name: SCOTTSDALEARIZONAWEBDESIGN.COM

>>
>>
>>          <http://SCOTTSDALEARIZONAWEBDESIGN.COM>
>>            Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
>>            Whois Server: whois.wildwestdomains.com <http://whois.wildwestdomains.com>

>>
>>            Referral URL: 

>>
>>         http://www.wildwestdomains.com
>>            Name Server: 

>>
>>
>>         NS1.ECHAZEN.NET <http://NS1.ECHAZEN.NET>
>>            Name Server: NS2.ECHAZEN.NET <http://NS2.ECHAZEN.NET>
>>            Status: clientDeleteProhibited
>>            Status: clientRenewProhibited

>>
>>
>>
>>            Status: clientTransferProhibited
>>            Status: clientUpdateProhibited
>>            Updated Date: 17-jul-2007
>>            Creation Date: 17-jul-2005
>>            Expiration Date: 17-jul-2008

>>
>>
>>>>>         Last update of whois database: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:34 UTC <<<

>>>>>
>>         NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
>>         registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
>>         currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration

>>
>>
>>
>>         date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
>>         registrar.  Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
>>         view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
>>         database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
>>         automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or

>>
>>
>>
>>         modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
>>         Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
>>         information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information

>>
>>
>>
>>         about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
>>         guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
>>         by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only

>>
>>
>>
>>         for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
>>         to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
>>         unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,

>>
>>
>>
>>         or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
>>         that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
>>         repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly

>>
>>
>>         prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to

>>
>>         use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
>>         query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register

>>
>>
>>         domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right

>>
>>         to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
>>         operational stability.  VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the

>>
>>
>>         Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign

>>
>>         reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

>>
>>         The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
>>         Registrars.

>>
>>
>>         The data contained in this Registrar's Whois database,
>>         while believed by the registrar to be reliable, is provided "as is"

>>
>>         with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information

>>
>>
>>         is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining
>>         information about domain name registration records. Any use of
>>         this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without

>>
>>         the prior written permission of this registrar.  By submitting an

>>
>>
>>         inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty.
>>         In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or
>>         otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of this data, in

>>
>>
>>
>>         part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the transmission of
>>         unsolicited advertising and solicitations of any kind, including spam.
>>         You further agree not to use this data to enable high volume, automated

>>
>>
>>
>>         or robotic electronic processes designed to collect or compile this data
>>         for any purpose, including mining this data for your own personal or
>>         commercial purposes.

>>
>>         Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the

>>
>>
>>
>>         "registrant" field.
>>         In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of domain names listed
>>         in this database.

>>
>>
>>         Registrant:
>>            eChazen Internet Solutions
>>            7040 E. Kessler Ave
>>            Mesa, Arizona 85208

>>
>>
>>
>>            United States

>>
>>            Registered through: eChazen.com
>>            Domain Name: SCOTTSDALEARIZONAWEBDESIGN.COM

>>
>>
>>          <http://SCOTTSDALEARIZONAWEBDESIGN.COM>
>>               Created on: 17-Jul-05
>>               Expires on: 17-Jul-08
>>               Last Updated on: 17-Jul-07

>>
>>            Administrative Contact:
>>               Internet Solutions, eChazen  

>>
>>
>>          <mailto:contact@echazen.com>
>>               7040 E. Kessler Ave
>>               Mesa, Arizona 85208
>>               United States
>>               (480) 452-8560      Fax --

>>
>>            Technical Contact:
>>               Internet Solutions, eChazen  

>>
>>
>>          <mailto:contact@echazen.com>
>>               7040 E. Kessler Ave
>>               Mesa, Arizona 85208
>>               United States
>>               (480) 452-8560      Fax --

>>
>>            Domain servers in listed order:

>>
>>
>>
>>         NS1.ECHAZEN.NET <http://NS1.ECHAZEN.NET>
>>               NS2.ECHAZEN.NET <http://NS2.ECHAZEN.NET>

>>
>>
>>         Whois Server Version 2.0

>>
>>         Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered

>>
>>
>>
>>         with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
>>         for detailed information.

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>            Domain Name: ECHAZEN.COM <http://ECHAZEN.COM>
>>            Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
>>            Whois Server: 

>>
>>
>>         whois.wildwestdomains.com <http://whois.wildwestdomains.com>
>>            Referral URL: http://www.wildwestdomains.com
>>            Name Server: 

>>
>>
>>         NS1.ECHAZEN.COM <http://NS1.ECHAZEN.COM>
>>            Name Server: NS2.ECHAZEN.COM <http://NS2.ECHAZEN.COM>
>>            Status: clientDeleteProhibited
>>            Status: clientRenewProhibited

>>
>>
>>
>>            Status: clientTransferProhibited
>>            Status: clientUpdateProhibited
>>            Updated Date: 08-jun-2006
>>            Creation Date: 04-nov-2002
>>            Expiration Date: 04-nov-2007

>>
>>
>>>>>         Last update of whois database: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:49 UTC <<<

>>>>>
>>         NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
>>         registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
>>         currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration

>>
>>
>>
>>         date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
>>         registrar.  Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
>>         view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
>>         database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
>>         automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or

>>
>>
>>
>>         modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
>>         Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
>>         information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information

>>
>>
>>
>>         about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
>>         guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
>>         by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only

>>
>>
>>
>>         for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
>>         to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
>>         unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,

>>
>>
>>
>>         or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
>>         that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
>>         repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly

>>
>>
>>         prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to

>>
>>         use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
>>         query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register

>>
>>
>>         domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right

>>
>>         to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
>>         operational stability.  VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the

>>
>>
>>         Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign

>>
>>         reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

>>
>>         The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
>>         Registrars.

>>
>>
>>         The data contained in this Registrar's Whois database,
>>         while believed by the registrar to be reliable, is provided "as is"

>>
>>         with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information

>>
>>
>>         is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining
>>         information about domain name registration records. Any use of
>>         this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without

>>
>>         the prior written permission of this registrar.  By submitting an

>>
>>
>>         inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty.
>>         In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or
>>         otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of this data, in

>>
>>
>>
>>         part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the transmission of
>>         unsolicited advertising and solicitations of any kind, including spam.
>>         You further agree not to use this data to enable high volume, automated

>>
>>
>>
>>         or robotic electronic processes designed to collect or compile this data
>>         for any purpose, including mining this data for your own personal or
>>         commercial purposes.

>>
>>         Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the

>>
>>
>>
>>         "registrant" field.
>>         In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of domain names listed
>>         in this database.

>>
>>
>>         Registrant:
>>            echazen
>>            7040 E. Kessler
>>            Mesa, Arizona 85208

>>
>>            United States

>>
>>
>>
>>            Registered through: eChazen.com
>>            Domain Name: ECHAZEN.COM <http://ECHAZEN.COM>
>>               Created on: 04-Nov-02

>>
>>               Expires on: 04-Nov-07

>>
>>
>>               Last Updated on: 08-Jun-06

>>
>>            Administrative Contact:
>>               Ho-Ching, Jason  
>>         

>>
>>          <mailto:hochingj@yahoo.com>
>>               Jet Designs
>>               11082 S. Conestoga Dr.
>>               Spanish Fork, Utah 84660
>>               United States
>>               (801) 873-3220      Fax --

>>
>>            Technical Contact:
>>               Ho-Ching, Jason  

>>
>>
>>          <mailto:hochingj@yahoo.com>
>>               Jet Designs
>>               11082 S. Conestoga Dr.
>>               Spanish Fork, Utah 84660
>>               United States
>>               (801) 873-3220      Fax --

>>
>>            Domain servers in listed order:

>>
>>
>>
>>         NS2.ECHAZEN.COM <http://NS2.ECHAZEN.COM>

>>
>>
>>         NS1.ECHAZEN.COM <http://NS1.ECHAZEN.COM>

>>
>>
>>         On 8/24/07, Joshua Zeidner 
>>         <> <mailto:jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>>>           I have a feeling I know who this is...

>>>
>>>           How about a company name, link to a web site?

>>>
>>>           -jmz

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 8/24/07, Scottsdale Arizona Web Design

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         <> <mailto:plug@scottsdalearizonawebdesign.com> wrote:

>>>
>>>>         We are looking for two types of resources:

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>         ============================================================================

>>>
>>>>         Freelancer or freelance team

>>>>
>>>>
>>>         ============================================================================

>>>
>>>>         We currently use two programmers that are out of state.  They constantly

>>>>
>>>         disappear or do not answer the phone for several days at a time.  Then they
>>>         will resurface again.  We need to work with a highly-skilled and
>>>         highly-efficient local developer or team.

>>>
>>>>         We are very happy with the skill level of the two programmers we have, but

>>>>
>>>         it's reliability that's the issue here.

>>>
>>>>         We develop using the LAMP stack and sometimes need ASP.net work but will

>>>>
>>>         not require it.

>>>
>>>>         We need a team or a developer that has EXTENSIVE programming experience

>>>>
>>>         and conforms to coding standards.

>>>
>>>>         Candidate must be local.  Would be nice if he/she/they were located in the

>>>>
>>>         east mesa/gilbert area.

>>>
>>>>         Please contact me with your experience and rates or just send a resume.

>>>>
>>>>         Thanks

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>         ============================================================================

>>>
>>>>         In-house contract developer for 40-50 hours a week

>>>>
>>>>
>>>         ============================================================================

>>>
>>>>         We are looking at the possibility of partnering with a utah development

>>>>
>>>         company in bringing on two "full-time" developers.  You would be classed as
>>>         contract workers, but you will be required to work at least 40 hours a week
>>>         in our offices in east mesa.  Pay is dependent upon experience.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>         Please contact me with your experience and rates or just send a resume.

>>>>
>>>>         Thanks

>>>>
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>>>         .0000. communication.
>>>         .0001. development.
>>>         .0010. strategy.
>>>         .0100. appeal.

>>>
>>>         JOSHUA M. ZEIDNER
>>>         IT Consultant

>>>
>>>         ( 602 ) 490 8006

>>>
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>>>
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>     IT Consultant

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