Gym Locker Theft, Live and Learn

Top Page
Attachments:
Message as email
+ (text/plain)
Delete this message
Reply to this message
Author: George Gambill
Date:  
Subject: Gym Locker Theft, Live and Learn
It seems that any mark or word or I suppose a group of words can be
considered as your signature so long as you do not dispute it.

As found in Black''s Law 7th Edition:=20

Signature. 1. A person''s name or mark written by that person or at the
person''s direction. 2. Commercial law. Any name, mark, or writing used =
with
the intention of authenticating a document UCC =A7=A7=A7=A7 1-201(39), =
3-401(b)=20

Further:

U.C.C. - ARTICLE 3 - NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENTS
..PART 4. LIABILITY OF PARTIES
=A7 3-401. SIGNATURE.
=B7    (a) A person is not ....=20
=B7    (b) A signature may be made (i) manually or by means of a device or
machine, and (ii) by the use of any name, including a trade or assumed =
name,
or by a word, mark, or symbol executed or adopted by a person with =
present
intention to authenticate a writing.



-----Original Message-----
Message: 10
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:54:22 -0700
From: Patrick Fleming <>
To:
Subject: Re: Gym Locker Theft, Live and Learn
Reply-To:


Actually the signature line on your card is your agreement to the terms =

from the credit card company. A card not signed or with Check ID is not =

a valid card. Any merchant who has bothered to read the entire merchant =

agreement (and chooses to stick to it verbatim) will refuse to take the =

card and in some cases will confinscate the card for the card company.
As a merchant taking cards, I have had people who never signed the card =

(blank) argue that someone stealing the card could just copy their=20
signature without even comprehending that someone stealing an unsigned=20
card will sign however they want to. I always insisted that someone =
with=20
an unsigned card show me picture ID and sign the card. Any merchant who =

has had a charge back due to non-matching signatures will definately=20
check the signature line against the signature panel on the card. I=20
would guess that most check out people are not high enough in the=20
company to understand the rules that the owner has agreed to with the=20
card issuers/processors, has never seen them, doesn't care, or all of=20
the above. Reading these contracts is like reading a EULA, most people=20
don't read it all.

Tom Achtenberg wrote:

> I have had check ID on my cards for several years and so has my wife.

Neither of us has ever been turned down for a sale because of that. In =
fact
many cashiers (we both used to cashier at Home Depot) AND bank tellers =
have
complemented us on doing so.
>=20