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Thank you for all the responses to my home network question. I am very
impressed with all of you and you willingness to help. I am afraid that most
of your suggestions are over my head at this point. I am just wanting to use
my linux box as a router and connect to my windows box to share the DSL
connection. I am not ready to start writing scripts or compiling anything.
What I know about Linux I have learned on my own and have had no help up
until this point. I suppose I could just spend the 80 bucks for a linksys
router but I would rather learn to take advantage of linux. Please tell me
(remember I am a complete newbie) if there is an easier way. I will be at
the next Mesa meeting if anyone would be wiiling to talk with me about this.
Thanks again, Mike



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>    1. Re: Adding a third IDE drive in Linux (Matt Alexander)
>    2. MPEG players (Lynn David Newton)
>    3. Re: MPEG players (Dallas Helquist)
>    4. Re: MPEG players (Codie William Masters)
>    5. RE: RMS (again) (Todd Hought)
>    6. Re: Linux home network (Tom Achtenberg)
>    7. Re: RMS (again) (Jeff)
>    8. OpenOffice 1.0 creating menu/icons (Alan Dayley)
>    9. Re: OpenOffice 1.0 creating menu/icons (Alan Dayley)
>   10. Re: OpenOffice 1.0 creating menu/icons (Alan Dayley)

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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Matt Alexander <>
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: Adding a third IDE drive in Linux
> Reply-To:
>
> Then... partition the disk as desired with fdisk, create a filesystem on
> each partition with mke2fs, and then add it to your /etc/fstab so it's
> mounted automatically at boot time.
>
> For example,
>
> fdisk /dev/hdd
> mke2fs /dev/hdd1
> mount /dev/hdd1 /mountmebabylikethebadmountpointIreallyam
>
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2002, der.hans wrote:
>
> > Am 03. May, 2002 schwätzte sundar so:
> >
> > > I want to add a third IDE drive to my home server. It's a old Sony
> > > PCV-70. Are there any good How-tos you could refer me to.
> >
> > ide bus 0 master is /dev/hda
> > ide bus 0 slave is /dev/hdb
> > ide bus 1 master is /dev/hdc
> > ide bus 1 slave is /dev/hdd
> >
> > On normal x86 box bus 0 is primary ide and bus 1 is secondary ide.
> >
> > Normally your original hard drive should be hda. Your CD will be hdb if
it's
> > on the same cable as the primary hard drive or hdc if it's by itself on
the
> > secondary ide bus.
> >
> > If you have two items on an ide cable use the jumpers to set one to
master
> > and the other to slave. I think you might be able to set them both to
select
> > ( or something like that ) if they're new enough.
> >
> > Look at www.LinuxDoc.org for HOWTOs. There are plenty. There should be
one
> > that covers ide hardware setup.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
> > --
> > # https://www.LuftHans.com/
> > # I've got a photographic memory,
> > # but I'm lousy photographer. - der.hans
> >
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> Message: 2
> From: Lynn David Newton <>
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:19:21 -0700
> To: Phoenix Linux Users Group <>
> Subject: MPEG players
> Reply-To:
>
>
> What is everyone's favorite MPEG player (that plays
> both video and audio)?
>
> I've got MTV. Don't like it.
>
> --
> Lynn David Newton
> Phoenix, AZ
>
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> Message: 3
> Subject: Re: MPEG players
> From: Dallas Helquist <>
> To:
> Date: 03 May 2002 20:57:04 -0600
> Reply-To:
>
> MTV :)
>
> Besides that I've used Xine and Mplayer. Both perform quite well, with
> Xine being easier to install and configure (did so right out of the
> box..played divx stuff as well).
>
> -dallas
>
> On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 20:19, Lynn David Newton wrote:
> >
> > What is everyone's favorite MPEG player (that plays
> > both video and audio)?
> >
> > I've got MTV. Don't like it.
> >
> > --
> > Lynn David Newton
> > Phoenix, AZ
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> Message: 4
> Subject: Re: MPEG players
> From: Codie William Masters <>
> To: Plug-Discuss List <>
> Date: 03 May 2002 20:10:46 -0700
> Reply-To:
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> On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 19:19, Lynn David Newton wrote:
> =20
> > What is everyone's favorite MPEG player (that plays
> > both video and audio)?
> >=20
>
> MPlayer is what I use. It's not much on the gui side but you can skin it
> if you want. It plays video and audio with most availible formats and
> codacs. DiVX, MPEG-1\2, MP3. DVDs, Video for Windows, Indeo, and (some)
> Quicktime. but check it out for yourself. You need GCC 3.0+ to really
> make installation smooth, but it's worth it.
>
> Check it out at http://www.mplayerhq.hu
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:12:35 -0700 (MST)
> From: Todd Hought <>
> To: "''"
<>
> Subject: RE: RMS (again)
> Reply-To:
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2002, der.hans wrote:
>
> > Am 03. May, 2002 schwätzte Todd Hought so:
> >
> > > Agreed. I've never had the opportunity to meet him, but I've heard
he's
> > > about as friendly as 40 grit sandpaper. Yep, he's got a good cause,
but
> > > the worst execution of said cause I've ever seen. Kinda like the Ford
> > > Pinto, good idea, poor execution.
> >
> > RMS has a good idea and a good vision. His method of implementation
isn't
> > very open to letting others do as they desire :(. His view is that
they're
> > taking his freedoms, so he's willing to fight against that. I think
that's
> > understandable even if I don't agree with the way he does it.
>
> Yep, problem is, it seems that he feels that EVERYONE is trying to take
> his freedoms, be it by making proprietary, bad software,
> <sarcasm> or by that most heinous of crimes, not saying 'GNU' in front of
> the word 'Linux'
> </sarcasm>
>
> >
> > GNU and the FSF should have someone else be the mouthpiece. At the same
> > time, I'd like to have him back if we think we can get people interested
in
> > talking. Maybe this time do more intro for the various groups in town,
etc.
> >
> > > If anyone does happen to go see him, my next-door neighbor is a
barber,
> > > and quite a nice guy, I'm sure he'd donate a haircut and beard trim to
the
> > > FSF.
> >
> > Blasphemer!
>
> OK, let me rephrase, he doesnt need a haircut, maybe just a lesson in what
> a brush is and how to use it.
>
> And no offense intended to you, ya LongHair, I know you are an
> exceptionally normal person. :-)
>
> >
> > > In fact, I personally challenge RMS to come up with a business plan
based
> > > on the creation of Open Source software that does NOT involve living
in
> > > one's own office at MIT or 'selling tech support'.
> >
> > As Derek has already pointed out that's a challenge for ESR not for RMS.
> >
> > What's wrong with 'selling tech support'? That's where the big bucks
are.
> > m$, other software vendors and hardware vendors make tons of money off
that.
> > The real quote should be on 'selling' since, for instance, you have to
pay
> > m$ to report a bug in their software.
> >
> > RedHat is doing well with a mostly Free Software model. The ogg/vorbis
guys
> > seems to be doing so as well if they can avoid patents, etc. SuSE lost
out
> > in the .us, but is still doing well in Europe. I believe TurboLinux is
still
> > doing well in .jp and I think Yellow Dog is somewhat stable here.
> >
> > The real inhibitor to Free Software companies is the m$ monopoly. The
income
> > rolling in from 25% of that market would keep lots of geeks off the
streets.
> > If it weren't for the monopoly and proprietary protocols/formats we
would
> > easily have 25% of that market.
> >
> > Their lock on protocols/formats is dissolving. I think that opens the
door
> > for Free Software and gives us the chance to break the monopoly. Only
the
> > Free Software model is in a position to do that.
> >
>
> Anyhew, I guess what it boils down to is that when you're just a regular
> guy living in your work office, not bathing and looking generally freaky,
> you're weird. When you're famous, it's just "being colorful"
>
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
> > --
> > # https://www.LuftHans.com/
> > # Stell dir vor, es ist Krieg und keiner geht hin...
> >
> > ________________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> From: "Tom Achtenberg" <>
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: Linux home network
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:56:25 -0700
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> I have done exactly what you are trying to do using a Linux box and the =
> e-Smith SME server from Mitel. It runs on Linux and only needs a p-90 =
> or better (I have it running on a P-75) 32 RAM and 2 PCI NIC's. It is a =
> free download from e-smith.org
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> To: =20
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:08 PM
> Subject: Linux home network
>
>
> Hello everyone, this is my first submission. I would like to set up a =
> home network for the purpose of sharing my DSL connection. I was ready =
> to buy a router when I heard that that I could accomplih this with =
> linux. Only two computers right now but I will be adding a laptop next =
> month. My Linux box is running RH 7.2 with the network installation and =
> two NIC cards installed. My windows machine has a card installed. I have =
> a cable modem and network cables. I have already established a internet =
> connection with eth0. How do I configure eth1? What else do i need to =
> know? Will this require installing Samba?=20
> Your dealing with a newbie here guys, I hope this is not too lame of a =
> question. I appreciate any help, Thanks
>
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> Message: 7
> From: "Jeff" <>
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: RMS (again)
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:50:42 -0700
> Organization: Stickboy Productions
> Reply-To:
>
> Who is Richard M. Stallman and what is his importance in life? and why do
we
> want to hear him talk if he is anal about dumb stuff?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor Odhner" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: RMS (again)
>
>
> | Matt Alexander wrote:
> | > Well, I'll only be attending if the official name of the group is
> | > GNU/X11/Mozilla/Apache/Matt_is_cool/I_like_donuts/Linux.
> | > ~Matt
> |
> | Thanks, Matt.
> |
> | I was trying to think of a way to say that ...
> |
> | I, for one, have met the guy once. That was
> | educational. I don't need to meet him again.
> |
> | To his issue, I'd be open to calling our group
> | something related to open source software --
> | we also support GNU, BSD, X11, Mozilla, etc. --
> | but Mr. Stallman wouldn't like that either since
> | not all of "etc" is "Free Software".
> |
> | The only way around may be to set up an informal
> | valleywide "GNU Users Group" dedicated to hosting
> | speeches by Richard M. Stallman.
> |
> | Vic
> |
> | Kirt Karl wrote:
> | > [Stallman] doesn't want the event to be in any way
> | > associated with a Linux users group (only if the
> | > official name of the group is GNU/Linux).
> | ________________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> From: Alan Dayley <>
> To:
> Subject: OpenOffice 1.0 creating menu/icons
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:39:12 -0700
> Reply-To:
>
> This did not work for me and my KDE desktop.
>
> -As root (in Konsole as 'su') I ran setup from the install files on my
hard
> drive.
> -Installed to /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.0
> -No errors during install
> -Ran setup as user from the install files. Aborted because it wanted to
> install all over again.
> -Ran /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.0/setup as user. Wants to Modify, Repair or
> Remove the software.
>
> So what do I do to automatically create the icons?
>
> Alan
>
> On Friday 03 May 2002 03:28 pm, you wrote:
> > ---
> > As with StarOffice 5.2
> >
> > install as root
> >
> > as user (not root) /install directory/setup
> >
> > (repeat for each user)
> > that will automatically add OpenOffice menu items in your KDE or GNOME
> > user menus
> >
> > Craig
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
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> Message: 9
> From: Alan Dayley <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice 1.0 creating menu/icons
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:49:19 -0700
> Reply-To:
>
> I found the answer (I am trying it now).
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/instructions.html
>
> Alan
>
> On Friday 03 May 2002 10:39 pm, you wrote:
> > This did not work for me and my KDE desktop.
> >
> > -As root (in Konsole as 'su') I ran setup from the install files on my
hard
> > drive.
> > -Installed to /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.0
> > -No errors during install
> > -Ran setup as user from the install files. Aborted because it wanted to
> > install all over again.
> > -Ran /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.0/setup as user. Wants to Modify, Repair
or
> > Remove the software.
> >
> > So what do I do to automatically create the icons?
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > On Friday 03 May 2002 03:28 pm, you wrote:
> > > ---
> > > As with StarOffice 5.2
> > >
> > > install as root
> > >
> > > as user (not root) /install directory/setup
> > >
> > > (repeat for each user)
> > > that will automatically add OpenOffice menu items in your KDE or GNOME
> > > user menus
> > >
> > > Craig
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail
doesn't
> > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
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> Message: 10
> From: Alan Dayley <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice 1.0 creating menu/icons
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 23:14:04 -0700
> Reply-To:
>
> These instructions did not work for me. It says in steps 6,7,8 to do the
> user portion of the setup but it does not say to logout from root.
>
> Then, if you do these steps as root, it wants to install in the /root
> directory not the /home/user directory. I specified the /home/user
directory
>
> Step 8 then says to do a "normal" install but the only choices it provides
> are "Workstation" or "Local" I tried Workstation because Local uses up
> another 210MB of storage space.
>
> After all this, as user I could run /home/user/OpenOffice.org1.0/soffice
but
> it would hang and I had to kill it. AND, the menus and icons did not
display.
>
> Back on the original install (step 4) I choose to include only KDE
> integration, deseleting Gnome integration. Is that a problem? This is a
> straw I am grasping at, a bug in the install script or something.
>
> Either I am not doing something right or I am not impressed by the
> installation process. Either way, I am too tired to play anymore today.
>
> Alan
>
> On Friday 03 May 2002 10:49 pm, you wrote:
> > I found the answer (I am trying it now).
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/instructions.html
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > On Friday 03 May 2002 10:39 pm, you wrote:
> > > This did not work for me and my KDE desktop.
> > >
> > > -As root (in Konsole as 'su') I ran setup from the install files on my
> > > hard drive.
> > > -Installed to /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.0
> > > -No errors during install
> > > -Ran setup as user from the install files. Aborted because it wanted
to
> > > install all over again.
> > > -Ran /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.0/setup as user. Wants to Modify,
Repair
> > > or Remove the software.
> > >
> > > So what do I do to automatically create the icons?
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > On Friday 03 May 2002 03:28 pm, you wrote:
> > > > ---
> > > > As with StarOffice 5.2
> > > >
> > > > install as root
> > > >
> > > > as user (not root) /install directory/setup
> > > >
> > > > (repeat for each user)
> > > > that will automatically add OpenOffice menu items in your KDE or
GNOME
> > > > user menus
> > > >
> > > > Craig
> > > > ________________________________________________
> > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail
doesn't
> > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > > >
> > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list -
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