On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
>OK, help me out here. What does CLEC and ILEC stand for?
Competitive
Local
Exchange
Carrier
(i.e. Global crossing, XO, level3)
Incumbent
Local
Exchange
Carrier
(i.e Qwest)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Kloian" <john@opnix.com>
>To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:42 PM
>Subject: Re: Broadband provider
>
>
>I firmly believe in deregulation, but the boom in the CLEC market and
>their practices seem to have been a death sentence. Its really funny,
>take a voice T-1 for example. Qwest is forced by the federal tariffs and
>the Arizona Corporation commission to sell it at a certain price, however
>MCI and AT&T or any other CLEC can sell it for upto 35% less than the
>ILEC and they do all the time. Now granted the CLEC losses money on every
>deal, but they figured they get vertical sales from the customer. this
>has been going on for some time. Plus the CLEC's by billions of dollar of
>service from each other. this looks good on the books, but the minute one
>decalres bankruptcy everyone suffers as a result. this is what we are
>seeing happen right now. When Global Crossing declared bankruptcy they
>force XO to right off 7.35 billion on their books, obviously that hurt and
>is one of the reasons XO is about to file chapter 11.
>
>In the end this shakedown will probably be a good thing, but we'll more
>than likely be stuck with one ILEC until some new players pop up.
>Hopefully the business practices will change slightly.
>
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>On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Digital Wokan wrote:
>
>>Some days you get the feeling breaking up Ma Bell was a pointless
>>excersize. We'll get back to having only one provider for land lines,
>>but with wireless being what it is, that provider will claim they have
>>competition to avoid regulation and then promptly proceed to rape its
>>customers. (Kinda like a software company I know up in Redmond.)
>>
>>John Kloian wrote:
>>>
>>> It is not official but the rumor is out there. There was a special
>>> session of the shareholders this afternoon. Some insiders I know
>>> mentioned that there was going to be a motion to ask Joe Nochio to step
>>> down and then they were going to announce the impending bankruptcy. From
>>> what I can gather if they do go ahead with the filing they will allegedy
>>> sell off their 14 state ILEC business to someone and chapter 11 the rest
>>> of the operation. (SBC seems like the most likely candidate for
>purchase,
>>> but who can tell)
>>>
>>> Again, none of this is official in any way, but people who would be in a
>>> position to know have passed this information along. I have also heard
>>> the same things from other sources over the past week.
>>>
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>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
>>>
>>> >First I've heard of them in bankruptcy. When did they file? Also, I do
>not
>>> >believe they were the ones slamming LD service, it was Sprint and MCI,
>two
>>> >companies I will have nothing to do with. They are also not the only
>one
>>> >giving out info. I have a letter on my desk right now from Farmers
>>> >insurance saying I need to mail it in to opt out of the same info
>sharing.
>>> >No phone or web site available.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: "Vaiod" <vaiod@berloy.com>
>>> >To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>>> >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:59 AM
>>> >Subject: Re: Broadband provider
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Much like the others Qwest is on the Bankruptcy list. Not to mention
>>> >the many lawsuits pending on their bad business practices (selling
>>> >customer data, slamming customers LD service).
>>> >
>>> >On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 17:00, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
>>> >> My company uses Qwest with no problems. I also had no problems with
>the
>>> >> Qwest VDSL service. Why do you say to avoid them?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Vaiod" <vaiod@berloy.com>
>>> >> To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:10 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Broadband provider
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I would suggest AT&T or XO, they should be able to get you what you
>>> >> need. I don't know how much fiber is available in Mesa though, you
>may
>>> >> have to contact COX or MCI. I would steer clear of Qwest if at all
>>> >> possible.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 11:55, Mark Astrauskas wrote:
>>> >> > My company is looking to start hosting web pages and
>>> >> > possibly offer some ISP services and we are in need of
>>> >> > a company that can provide this. We are going to need
>>> >> > the connection to go to the location of our business
>>> >> > (in Mesa). Can anyone recommend a company that can
>>> >> > offer this sort of service? All I've been told about
>>> >> > the requirements is it needs be somewhere in the T1 or
>>> >> > even DS3 range.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -A.P. Etc
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