You all wine like mules .. your Internet is cheap your phone charges are
cheap ..
you should all vacate US shores and go live in Europe or the UK then youl
see expense and bad service.
Nige
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Winkler" <
lmw@po.cwru.edu>
To: <
plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: DHCP and Cox Cable
> Cox has the right to decide on whatever usage policy they like and enforce
it
> however they like. If you don't like it you don't have to subscribe to
their
> service.
>
> What is truly sad is that there have now become 2 categories of net
connections:
> "internet for dummies" (i.e., @home) and "internet for clueful people"
(i.e.,
> speakeasy, or business connections). "internet for dummies" is not really
a bad
> thing if you really fall into this category, and all you do is browse the
web
> and read email. It's just a pain in the ass for us "clueful people". And
> "internet for clueful people", while providing you with fewer "services"
(not
> blocking ports), costs a whole lot more.
>
> Cox's policies irritate me too. But I am too cheap to pay $100/month or
so for
> a "clueful" connection with acceptable speeds. So I subscribe to their
service,
> whine occasionally, and try to get around the stuff I don't like.
>
> Lisa
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Kevin
> > Brown
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:42 AM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: DHCP and Cox Cable
> >
> >
> > Because we are the minority and not the majority. Most users online
> > don't have
> > a clue about anything computers save I click here and it takes me
somewhere.
> >
> > Basically in legalese, Cox is managing their bandwidth. They are saving
> > themselves a headache by simply preventing outside (and possibly
> > inside infected
> > systems) from infecting more of the systems on their network. They have
the
> > right to do it this way because it doesn't affect the majority of their
user
> > base (which again, we are not in) who don't even know what IIS is or if
it's
> > even installed and running on their system.
> >
> > If they really wanted to be difficult they could shutdown all
> > incoming requests
> > to their network for ports < 1024 except to the @work users. Now
> > everyone is in
> > compliance with their usage policy as you agreed to when you signed up.
> >
> > What really has amazed me is that Cox and other large scale ISPs bought
a huge
> > block of IP addresses when they might have saved themselves money and
> > headaches
> > regarding these Damn worms by using something like NAT and give their
> > subscribers a 10.X.X.X address. Then no one has port 80 exposed to the
Net.
> >
> > > Hmm, I think I have to disagree with that. While cutting out
excessive
> > > bandwidth usage by broken boxes run by idiots may be/have been
convenient,
> > > is blocking a port at the ISP level really the right way to
> > > "fix" things? I figure I pay an ISP to provide me an internet
> > > connection. For that I expect them to route all IP packets to and fro
> > > whatever IP they give me. When they make these decisions to stop
doing
> > > that in little ways, here and there, then I don't have a true internet
> > > connection any longer.
> > >
> > > The @home network, and now all the smaller cable networks, have always
> > > been annoying with their "no services" policy and their upstream
bandwidth
> > > caps and with their "LAN with your neighbors" architecture and with
their
> > > less reliable than dialup connections, etc. etc. I remember when
> > > everybody used to block traffic from their silly scanning IP addresses
and
> > > such at their firewalls. Everybody was being stealthy and running
their
> > > services for the rest of the world to see, but not the 24. class A
> > > space. The thing about that always was that @home could have watched
the
> > > ports traffic was being routed in to. Move the ports around, and they
can
> > > still set their IDS sensors to pick up on HTTP GET requests going
inbound,
> > > SSH server banners going outbound, FTP server banners going outbound,
etc.
> > >
> > > If they still have such silly, arbitrary policies, and they have the
spare
> > > time to follow up on things, they can still see what's going on.
> > >
> > > Blocking port 80 to protect everybody though, as opposed to enforcing
> > > their nonsense policies, is still bad. Why don't they start sniffing
that
> > > same traffic and identify offenders on their own network. I'm sure
many
> > > people on this list could supply them long lists of affected IP
addresses
> > > (maybe not from your cablemodem experiences any longer, but from work,
> > > school, your sister's friend's server, etc. Why don't they do
something
> > > to clean up their own house, rather than hide the symptoms.
> > >
> > > Basically, I'd rather have all the traffic. To have my ISP decide
what
> > > traffic is good for me and what isn't, just stinks IMHO. The lunacy
that
> > > ensues every month or two when yet another "m$ RAS feature" is
introduced
> > > into the wild needs to be addressed, but not by the ISPs...at least
not by
> > > simply blocking all traffic to certain ports.
> > >
> > > Oh well, probably nobody cares, but I feel better for having whined a
bit
> > > about it :)
> > >
> > > Wes
> > >
> > > > I would say that Cox did the right thing several months ago by
> > blocking port
> > > > 80. It stopped a S**tload of code red and nimda infected systems
> > from infecting
> > > > the whole of cox's network.
> > >
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