"JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down?

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I find this list to be very low traffic. Not only that but a great deal of
the traffic is good info. As Blake says other lists are much higher traffic,
I normally process 10 - 20 x the amount of traffic this list generates. I
have not looked but perhaps this list offers a digest format that might be
more palatable for you, less mail and easier to delete.

Cheers,

Davidm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blake Barnett [mailto:blake.barnett@developonline.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:16 PM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: "JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down?
>
>
> This list is extremely low-volume compared to other lists I'm on.
>
> linux-kernel being a great example. It's rare that I receive
> less than
> 300-400 messages per day.
>
> I find most of the conversation on this list acceptable, the rest, I
> simply ignore. If I tried to read every message of every thread of
> every mailling list I'm on, I'd become catatonic very quickly...
>
> Sifting through the detritis to find the gems is what being
> on the 'net
> is all about, ain't it?
>
>
> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 12:49, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
> > I have to at least partially agree that this list has too
> much noise on it. At times I've wondered if my subscription
> was changed from Linux User Group to Lets bash MS group. I
> would include in the noise my own thread of @home possible
> shutting down and all the Qwest bashing others were doing.
> Eliminating these kind of posts would reduce the daily
> message count from 40-60 down to about 15. Just MHO.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sm [mailto:sm@vis.nu]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:24 PM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: "JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, John Mosier wrote:
> >
> > > Can't we keep the NOISE on this list down. This JABBER
> is ridiculous!
> > >
> > > NONE of us is interested in the explanations. AZIPA
> rules are better
> > > than the PLUG rules.There are two regular posters whose
> postings ALWAYS
> > > process the RE: as attachments.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am considering dropping my subscription to the list
> because there
> > > is so much JABBER and NOISE on the list that the useful stuff is
> > > totally drowned out by excessive posting by people who
> have nothing
> > > constructive to add.
> > >
> > > There are two regular posters whose postings ALWAYS process
> > > with attachments.
> >
> >
> > Rather than cluttering up the list with jabber related
> trolling, it might
> > be more appropriate to ask if there's a announcement
> related mailing list,
> > or something along those lines. Most organizations have one.
> >
> > Since there's a lot of crosstalk between organizations
> around here, as you
> > yourself point out, it makes some sort of sense that the
> PLUG list, which
> > is the most general and least Official[tm] list of these
> organizations,
> > have a lot of the jabber that is an unavoidable side effect
> of this form
> > of communication.
> >
> > This is the reason I have PLUG in it's own folder, as I
> have AZIPA, AzPHP,
> > ASULUG, and the apparently 4,000 other Arizona related free
> software/open
> > source mailing lists I'm on filter into their own seperate boxes.
> > Surely, if it were not for Procmail, I would be dead. I would have
> > drowned in the stream of babble. Hooray for procmail.
> >
> > A complaint was raised against this person in a public
> forum. They should
> > be allowed to respond in kind. Do I really care? No. How
> long would it
> > take me to delete the post? Yea, about three seconds.
> >
> > Now, I may be going against the grain here. More people
> may think that
> > this is a problem rather than just an unfortunate side
> effect. In which
> > case, perhaps a seperate 'plug-useless' mailing list could
> be set up, or
> > perhaps a completely different form of communication, such
> as IRC, or more
> > appropriately, a Jabber server. :)
> >
> > -Sam
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to
> write mail.
> >
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to
> write mail.
> >
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Blake Barnett (bdb) <blake.barnett@developonline.com> > Sr. Unix Administrator > DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816

>
> "Do, or do not. There is no try." --Yoda
>
> ________________________________________________
> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to
> write mail.
>
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>

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I find this list to be very low traffic. Not only =
that but a great deal of the traffic is good info. As Blake says other =
lists are much higher traffic, I normally process 10 - 20 x the amount =
of traffic this list generates.  I have not looked but perhaps =
this list offers a digest format that might be more palatable for you, =
less mail and easier to delete.

Cheers,


Davidm


> -----Original Message-----
 > From: Blake Barnett [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:blake.barnett@developonline.com">mailto:blake.barnett@dev=
eloponline.com</A>]
 > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:16 =
PM
 > To: =
plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 > Subject: RE: "JABBER" on the list =
Can't we keep it down?
 > 
 > 
 > This list is extremely low-volume compared to =
other lists I'm on.
 > 
 > linux-kernel being a great example.  It's =
rare that I receive 
 > less than
 > 300-400 messages per day.
 > 
 > I find most of the conversation on this list =
acceptable, the rest, I
 > simply ignore.  If I tried to read every =
message of every thread of
 > every mailling list I'm on, I'd become =
catatonic very quickly...
 > 
 > Sifting through the detritis to find the gems =
is what being 
 > on the 'net
 > is all about, ain't it?
 > 
 > 
 > On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 12:49, Tom Achtenberg =
wrote:
 > > I have to at least partially agree that =
this list has too 
 > much noise on it.  At times I've wondered =
if my subscription 
 > was changed from Linux User Group to Lets bash =
MS group.  I 
 > would include in the noise my own thread of =
@home possible 
 > shutting down and all the Qwest bashing others =
were doing.  
 > Eliminating these kind of posts would reduce =
the daily 
 > message count from 40-60 down to about =
15.  Just MHO.
 > > 
 > > -----Original Message-----
 > > From: sm [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sm@vis.nu">mailto:sm@vis.nu</A>]
 > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:24 =
PM
 > > To: =
plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 > > Subject: Re: "JABBER" on the =
list Can't we keep it down?
 > > 
 > > 
 > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, John Mosier =
wrote:
 > > 
 > > > Can't we keep the NOISE on this list =
down.  This JABBER 
 > is ridiculous!
 > > >
 > > > NONE of us is interested in the =
explanations.  AZIPA 
 > rules are better
 > > > than the PLUG rules.There are two =
regular posters whose 
 > postings ALWAYS
 > > > process the RE: as =
attachments.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > > I am considering dropping my =
subscription to the list 
 > because there
 > > > is so much JABBER and NOISE on the =
list that the useful stuff is
 > > > totally drowned out by excessive =
posting by people who 
 > have nothing
 > > > constructive to add.
 > > >
 > > > There are two regular posters whose =
postings ALWAYS process
 > > > with attachments.
 > > 
 > > 
 > > Rather than cluttering up the list with =
jabber related 
 > trolling, it might
 > > be more appropriate to ask if there's a =
announcement 
 > related mailing list,
 > > or something along those lines.  Most =
organizations have one.
 > > 
 > > Since there's a lot of crosstalk between =
organizations 
 > around here, as you
 > > yourself point out, it makes some sort of =
sense that the 
 > PLUG list, which
 > > is the most general and least Official[tm] =
list of these 
 > organizations,
 > > have a lot of the jabber that is an =
unavoidable side effect 
 > of this form
 > > of communication.
 > > 
 > > This is the reason I have PLUG in it's own =
folder, as I 
 > have AZIPA, AzPHP,
 > > ASULUG, and the apparently 4,000 other =
Arizona related free 
 > software/open
 > > source mailing lists I'm on filter into =
their own seperate boxes.
 > > Surely, if it were not for Procmail, I =
would be dead.  I would have
 > > drowned in the stream of babble.  =
Hooray for procmail.
 > > 
 > > A complaint was raised against this person =
in a public 
 > forum.  They should
 > > be allowed to respond in kind.  Do I =
really care?  No.  How 
 > long would it
 > > take me to delete the post?  Yea, =
about three seconds.
 > > 
 > > Now, I may be going against the grain =
here.  More people 
 > may think that
 > > this is a problem rather than just an =
unfortunate side 
 > effect.  In which
 > > case, perhaps a seperate 'plug-useless' =
mailing list could 
 > be set up, or
 > > perhaps a completely different form of =
communication, such 
 > as IRC, or more
 > > appropriately, a Jabber server. :)
 > > 
 > > -Sam
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > ___________________________________________=
_____
 > > See <A =
HREF=3D"http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</A> if =
your 
 > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you =
use Netscape to 
 > write mail.
 > > 
 > > PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  =
PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 > > <A =
HREF=3D"http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-=
discuss</A>
 > > =
________________________________________________
 > > See <A =
HREF=3D"http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</A> if =
your 
 > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you =
use Netscape to 
 > write mail.
 > > 
 > > PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  =
PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 > > <A =
HREF=3D"http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-=
discuss</A>
 > -- 
 > Blake Barnett (bdb)  =
<blake.barnett@developonline.com>
 > Sr. Unix Administrator
 > =
DevelopOnline.com         &=
nbsp;       office: 480-377-6816
 > 
 > "Do, or do not.  There is no =
try." --Yoda
 > 
 > =
________________________________________________
 > See <A =
HREF=3D"http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</A> if =
your 
 > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you =
use Netscape to 
 > write mail.
 > 
 > PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  =
PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 > <A =
HREF=3D"http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-=
discuss</A>
 > 


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