Was Geek Jobs

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Yea I had that same question. I was in from 92-96 and made e4 in
computer repair. I think the most i ever got was around $25k.

Bill Warner

On Tue, 2001-11-06 at 07:27, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
> I have to question one of your points. Point 5, what military were you a=
n enlisted person making $50k in? When I was in the USAF in the 80's as a =
SGT I made between $600 and $700 a MONTH plus housing. That's a far cry fr=
om $50k a year. =20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Toft [mailto:george@georgetoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:04 AM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: Was Geek Jobs
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> (About to show my age . . .)
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> Using inflation as a benchmark for survival, which we know it is
> actually lower than reality, I present the following data:
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> Data Point #1: When I was in college studying Electrical Engineering=20
> and Computer Science, in 1979, the expected starting salary was $20K
> for either field. Using the rule of 72, with the inflation that we=20
> have experienced since that time, that same starting salary should be=20
> about $75K.
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> Data Point #2: The last two jobs I interviewed for in Phoenix gave me a=20
> speech about paying employees well to keep them around, then informed=20
> me the positions paid $45-55K for senior people with 5 years of=20
> experience. (Did not keep up with inflation.)
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> Data Point #3: Digital Wokan and I applied for the same job just to
> find out it was entry level paying $25-35K. (Did not keep up with=20
> inflation.)
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> Data Point #4: My wife made over $40K as a customer service supervisor
> in a Fortune 500 company, and once she gains experience within any
> given company here, will make the same again. (Non-IT benchmark).
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> Data Point #5: I made over $50K as an enlisted military member, and
> this was considered low. There were people on food stamps that were
> the same rank I was. (Non-IT benchmark).
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> Data Point #6: 10 years ago, I was applying for IT jobs in Phoenix=20
> that paid $35-40K. (Historical data.)
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> Data Point #7: I have seen several jobs that prefer MCSE certification=20
> or three years experience that pay under $30K. (Did not keep up with=20
> inflation.)
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> Conclusion: IT Salaries are becoming inverted. We are entitled to=20
> make the same money with our degrees as those without. The jobs now=20
> are paying what they were 10 years ago, yet inflation has cut your
> spending power by $30-40% while taxes have increased.
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> Projection: In Hawaii, it is common for both husband and wife to
> work, and they usually have working parents living with them. This
> is what is required to make ends meet. I predict that over the next
> 20 years, we will see the same thing become commonplace here in
> mainland America.
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> George
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> P.S. It still beats the living conditions in Afghanistan.
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> Trent Shipley wrote:
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> > Are computer geeks (outside of webdom) having more unemployment trouble=
s than
> > the rest of the population? The economy sucks for everybody.
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> > Maybe its just that this is the first time that computer geeks have rea=
lly
> > been in sufficient supply relative to demand that they are feeling a
> > recession?
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> > Another part of it may be that the computer-geek community really rode =
the
> > internet bubble in the late 1990's and there are jobs but the pay has c=
ome
> > back down into the realm of sanity. The result is that much of Geekdom=
needs
> > to find salaries that sadly no longer exist.
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> > (I am pretty certain that the Pointy Haired Managers and Evil Queens of=
HR
> > have yet to discover that bright high-school kids can be hired part tim=
e to
> > do 50% of the IS/IT workload! [and next 45% can be done by the same kid=
s
> > after they have three to five years of experience]).
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