Advice

> -> -----Original Message-----
> -> From: Alan Dayley [mailto:adayley@adtron.com]
> -> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:49 PM
> -> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> -> Subject: RE: Advice
> ->
> ->
> ->
> -> In my experience getting a bachelor's degree in SOMETHING
> -> will open many
> -> employment doors that will otherwise stay shut.  This is
> -> especially true in
> -> a downturn economy.  While I use very little of the actual
> -> factual stuff of
> -> my EE degree on a daily basis and haven't for years, I would
> -> not be working
> -> where I am now at the salary I have now without the paper.
> ->
> -> Studies show that when a potential employer picks up your
> -> resume to review
> -> it, he or she will decide in 7 seconds, on average, whether
> -> or not to keep
> -> looking at it.  Many times that 7 seconds is spent looking
> -> at education and
> -> certifications.  If they don't like what they see, the
> -> resume goes to the
> -> "round file."
> ->
> -> In many ways all a degree proves is that you can follow a
> -> set of rules.
> -> But, many employers won't even look at you seriously unless
> -> you have that
> -> blessed piece of paper.
> ->
> -> However, YMMV.
> ->
> -> Alan
> ->
> -> At 11:57 AM 3/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
> -> >I am going to disagree on one point. You don't necessarily
> -> need to get a CS
> -> >degree. Go to college for something you want to learn, and
> -> that you can't
> -> >easily teach yourself. I got a microbiology degree and
> -> after I graduated I
> -> >was hired as a Unix sysadmin. If you are going to do
> -> computers as a job then
> -> >go to school for it. If computers is your passion and you
> -> want to get paid
> -> >for it, go to school for another one of your interests and gain work
> -> >experience (school help desk, etc). Just my opinion though
> -> and I am sure
> -> >that many will disagree.
> -> >
> -> >Joel Dudley
> -> >Unix System Administrator
> -> >DevelopOnline.com
> -> >----------------------------------------
> -> >"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power
> -> of reason, the
> -> >story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
> -> ignorance; he is
> -> >about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over
> -> the final rock,
> -> >he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been
> -> sitting there for
> -> >centuries."
> -> >- Dr. Robert Jastrow, Founder Goddard Space Flight Institute
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >-----Original Message-----
> -> >From: Deepak Saxena [mailto:deepak@csociety.purdue.edu]
> -> >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:07 AM
> -> >To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> -> >Subject: Re: Advice
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >My opinions (which i will probably get flamed for)
> -> >
> -> >1) Get some cheap hardware and start learning how to do
> -> things on your
> -> >   own as was mentioned before
> -> >2) With those skills get an entry level job somewhere
> -> >3) Save money and get a degree in CS, but while getting a
> -> degree in CS
> -> >   make sure you take some classes in low level stuff like
> -> architecture.
> -> >   Or if a full college degree is not what you're
> -> interesested in, just
> -> >   take the relevant classes or pick up a book.  The key is don't
> -> >   just learn how to setup a network and a web server, etc,
> -> learn how
> -> >   this stuff works.
> -> >
> -> >   Why step 3 you make ask? b/c IMHO having a good understanding of
> -> >   how computers work from top to bottom instead of just how to
> -> >   use the tools to do the job will let you do your job much better.
> -> >   It will also make you much more flexible down the road and I
> -> >   think it makes it easier to pick up new technologuies.
> -> >   People may disagree with this, but I have seen enough IT people
> -> >   (both Windows and Un*x) who have NO CLUE about how
> -> computers actually
> -> >   works that I would highly reccomend as much as you can about
> -> >   computers, not just high level networking stuff.
> -> >
> -> >~Deepak
> -> >
> -> >On Mar 21 2001, at 10:02, Tyler Hall was caught saying:
> -> >> Greetings,
> -> >>
> -> >> I need your guy's advice,  I'm hoping to get into the
> -> field of networking
> -> >in the near future.  Such as, managing a school or a
> -> company's network.
> -> >I'm going to school right now at Chandler-Gilbert Community
> -> College, to get
> -> >this stupid degree in "Microsoft Networking"  I think it's
> -> a waste of my
> -> >time and money.   I'm looking for someone that is in that
> -> field, and would
> -> >be willing to tell me, what steps I should take.  I
> -> currently just graduated
> -> >from high school, so i'm still young.   Any advice would be
> -> helpful.
> -> >>
> -> >> Please reply privately, so we don't disturb the public list :)
> -> >>
> -> >> Tyler Hall
> -> >>
> -> >> "Goddam it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a
> -> foxhole! Follow
> -> >me!"
> -> >> - Captain Henry P. "Jim" Crowe (Guadalcanal, January 13, 1943)
> -> >
> -> >--
> -> >Deepak Saxena - deepak@csociety.purdue.edu - phone://602.790.0500
> -> >
> -> >Code Monkey, MontaVista Software, Inc. - THE Embedded Linux Experts
> -> >
> -> >call me 'evil' call me 'tide is on your side' anything that you want
> -> >anybody knows you can conjure anything by the dark of the moon
> -> >  - Tori Amos, "Suede"
> -> >
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