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Author: Tilby, Lynn # PHX
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Subject: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
Cyber-Cafe suggestions:

Try Malls & the airport... I recently tried to use a terminal connection
place at SLC airport and found out they had only been open a couple of weeks
and were overbooked! A cyber-cafe at each terminal building in the Airport
I think would do VERY well!

Put together a spread sheet. Cross your t's and dot your i's! If you are
disabled you should have NO! problem finding funding all over the place!!!!
The ONLY problem is filling out all the paper work! This is doable!!

Lynn P. Tilby 

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> 1. Re: Linux Today (Jim)
> 2. python: string.replace(..) won't work (Lucas Vogel)
> 3. Re: diffing special chars ()
> 4. Re: diffing special chars ()
> 5. RE: python: string.replace(..) won't work (Lucas Vogel)
> 6. DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy (Mike Cantrell)
> 7. Re: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy (Jim)
> 8. Re: python: string.replace(..) won't work (der.hans)
> 9. Re: diffing special chars (der.hans)
> 10. Re: diffing special chars (der.hans)
> 11. JLF = Kibo ? (Dennis Sacks)
> 12. Re: JLF = Kibo ? (Alan Dayley)
> 13. RE: JLF = Kibo ? (Michael Sheldon)
> 14. RE: diffing special chars (Lucas Vogel)
> 15. The Linux Drivers Petition (Lucas Vogel)
> 16. New business startup help/suggestions/info needed (Hawke)
> 17. Re: JLF = Kibo ? (J.L.Francois)
> 18. Re: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed (Dennis Sacks)
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> Message: 1
> From: Jim <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Linux Today
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:24:53 -0700
> Reply-To:
>
> Never mind - it seems to be back up and running
>
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > Anyone else having trouble getting to the linuxtoday.com website?
> > --
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Always practice safe HEX
> >
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>
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> Message: 2
> From: Lucas Vogel <>
> To: plug1 <>
> Subject: python: string.replace(..) won't work
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:54:18 -0700
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To:
>
> Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at
> string.replace()?
>
> #Begin code---------------------
>
> import string, os, sys, re
>
> fName = sys.argv[1]
> s1 = sys.argv[2]
> s2 = sys.argv[3]
>
> f=open(fName,'rw')
>
> s=f.read()
>
> print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")"
> string.replace(s,s1,s2)
>
>
> print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n"
>
>
> #end code-----------------------
>
> Thanks
>
> 
> -------------------------------------------
> Lucas Vogel, Software Developer
> LandWarrior Project
> Exponent Inc.
> 
> phone:    (623)587-6739
> fax:        (623)587-4187
> ------------www.exponent.com---------------

>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:18:04 -0700
> From:
> To:
> Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> Reply-To:
>
>
> Seems odd that GNU "diff -r" won't recursively diff
> the dirs (akin to "dircmp") without choking on filenames
> that have evil characters. The GNU stuff is usually
> pretty good.
>
> Instead of "tr", could you tell GNU find not to do its
> shell metacharacter autoescaping thing, and pipe find's
> output through "strings -a" to strip out the evil
> characters?
>
> Admittedly, the perl solutions are MUCH better, but
> this technique might "get you by."
>
>
> D
>
> * On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:58:08PM -0700, der.hans wrote:
> > Am 24. Aug, 2000 schwäzte shadoiOsoulmachine.com so:
> >
> > > Maybe piping the output from ls -b or find to tr with some options
> > > would do the trick.. Maybe using grep to pull out only the ones you
> > > want to fix for speed..
> >
> > With tr I have to take into account all the special chars :(. It won't
> > change "\ " into " ", since it only works on single chars. Rod's
> > suggestion of sed looks like it should work, if I can get sed to behave
> > the way it seems it should or failing that find out how sed actually
> > behaves :). That would actually fix something else for me as well.
> >
> > For now I'm using perl on the file after it was created. Already had to
> do
> > that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just something else to
> > try to move back to shell later on :).
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
> > --
> > H der.hansOLuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> > H Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:28:55 -0700
> From:
> To:
> Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> Reply-To:
>
>
> Regex Law One:
> 
>      One can easily create a regex.

>
> Regex Law Two:
> 
>      In the time required to decipher a regex,
>      even a regex written by yourself, one could
>      have created a new regex from scratch in
>      one-tenth the time, because of Law One.

>
>
> D
>
> * On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 08:24:21PM -0700, J.L.Francois wrote:
> > I just took a look thru my copy of
> > Mastering Regular Expressions ( O'Reilly ) a.k.a The Owl Book.
> >
> > It looks like this can be done in bash but I am not willing to spend
> > the time creating something that no one will ever be able to
> > read or modify. It looks a lot easier in Perl.
> >
> > Trust me, anyone that has done RegExp scripting knows what I mean
> > when I say a regexp takes one week to being incomprehensible.
> >
> > Get the book and give it a shot. It should be worth it.
> >
> > JLF Sends...
> >
> > It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:58:08PM -0700, der.hans
> scribbled:
> > Orig Msg> Am 24. Aug, 2000 schwäzte so:
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> > Maybe piping the output from ls -b or find to tr with some
> options
> > Orig Msg> > would do the trick.. Maybe using grep to pull out only the
> ones you
> > Orig Msg> > want to fix for speed..
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> With tr I have to take into account all the special chars :(.
> It won't
> > Orig Msg> change "\ " into " ", since it only works on single chars.
> Rod's
> > Orig Msg> suggestion of sed looks like it should work, if I can get sed
> to behave
> > Orig Msg> the way it seems it should or failing that find out how sed
> actually
> > Orig Msg> behaves :). That would actually fix something else for me as
> well.
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> For now I'm using perl on the file after it was created.
> Already had to do
> > Orig Msg> that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just
> something else to
> > Orig Msg> try to move back to shell later on :).
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> ciao,
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> der.hans
> >
> > ________________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> From: Lucas Vogel <>
> To: plug1 <>
> Subject: RE: python: string.replace(..) won't work
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:30:55 -0700
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To:
>
> Holy cow! Talk about dumb mistakes. I need to catch the output from
> string.replace into another variable. Sorry for the traffic, everyone.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lucas Vogel
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:54 PM
> > To: plug1
> > Subject: python: string.replace(..) won't work
> >
> >
> > Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at
> > string.replace()?
> >
> > #Begin code---------------------
> >
> > import string, os, sys, re
> >
> > fName = sys.argv[1]
> > s1 = sys.argv[2]
> > s2 = sys.argv[3]
> >
> > f=open(fName,'rw')
> >
> > s=f.read()
> >
> > print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")"
> > string.replace(s,s1,s2)
> >
> >
> > print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n"
> >
> >
> > #end code-----------------------
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer
> > LandWarrior Project
> > Exponent Inc.
> > 
> > phone:    (623)587-6739
> > fax:        (623)587-4187
> > ------------www.exponent.com---------------

> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:35:05 -0700 (MST)
> From: Mike Cantrell <>
> To:
> Subject: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy
> Reply-To:
>
> This was just posted on slashdot.. I love the irony... apparently CNN
> (owned by Time-Warner) linked to a list of DeCSS mirrors:
>
> http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backIssues/2000/08/25#anotherProblemForT
> imewarner
>
> Regards,
> Mike Cantrell
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: Jim <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:51:24 -0700
> Reply-To:
>
> The link is now gone, but it does point to the total hipocracy of the
> $-brubbers. Another interesting point to consider is the amicus briefs
> filed supporting (?) Napster's position right below the CNN story.
>
> (both are posted on slashdot)
>
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > This was just posted on slashdot.. I love the irony... apparently CNN
> > (owned by Time-Warner) linked to a list of DeCSS mirrors:
> >
> >
> http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backIssues/2000/08/25#anotherProblemForT
> imewarner
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike Cantrell
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
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>
> Jim
>
> Always practice safe HEX
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:11:19 -0700 (MST)
> From: "der.hans" <>
> To: plug1 <>
> Subject: Re: python: string.replace(..) won't work
> Reply-To:
>
> Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Lucas Vogel so:
>
> > Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at
> > string.replace()?
>
> Lucas,
>
> you should drop these questions on the devel list :). Can't help you with
> python, though :(. Maybe we should see if Jiva is Kiboizing as well as JLF
> :).
>
> I'll leave the junk at the bottom for once, just in case he is...
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> > #Begin code---------------------
> >
> > import string, os, sys, re
> >
> > fName = sys.argv[1]
> > s1 = sys.argv[2]
> > s2 = sys.argv[3]
> >
> > f=open(fName,'rw')
> >
> > s=f.read()
> >
> > print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")"
> > string.replace(s,s1,s2)
> >
> >
> > print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n"
> >
> >
> > #end code-----------------------
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer
> > LandWarrior Project
> > Exponent Inc.
> > 
> > phone:    (623)587-6739
> > fax:        (623)587-4187
> > ------------www.exponent.com---------------

> >
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> # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:16:26 -0700 (MST)
> From: "der.hans" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> Reply-To:
>
> Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte so:
>
> >
> > \_ For now I'm using perl on the file after it was created. Already had
> to do
> > \_ that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just something else
> to
> > \_ try to move back to shell later on :).
> >
> > You make it sound so hard:
> >
> > lartmebofh% perl foo.pl
> > <...>
> > lartmebofh% cat > foo.sh
> > #!/bin/sh
> >
> > perl foo.pl
> > ^D
> > lartmebofh% chmod +x foo.sh
> > lartmebofh% foo.sh
> > <...>
> > lartmebofh%
> >
> > simple as pie.
>
> Not for the newbie trying to understand what's going on, which is the
> point of the exercise :).
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
> --
> # home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:30:31 -0700 (MST)
> From: "der.hans" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> Reply-To:
>
> Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Kevin Buettner so:
>
> > I used to do a lot of shell programming. I don't anymore. If I find
> > myself writing a shell script that ends up being longer than six lines
> > (or so), I switch to Perl.
>
> I'm moving that direction. I'll admit, however, that I make a lot of
> system calls in my nukeandpuke perl scripts :).
>
> > I'm puzzled by this statement. In the script I sent, you ended up
> > with the names of all of the files in a single (array) variable so
> > they could be sorted later on. The actual contents of the files were
> > never actually read. Surely you don't mean that your filename data is
> > 60+MB, do you?
>
> Yup. I'm not talking about the contents of the files, but I like David's
> compression mechanism. I'll have to ask him more about it ;-). I'm doing a
> listing of everything on the system, which then goes for backups. Most
> people (and myself most of the time) won't have this much, but right now I
> do :). Ever seen a shell using 150MB of memory? :) It's a great way to
> kill init...
>
> The only reason I mentioned it was file listings instead of just being
> random, but in the same order, strings is that I'm interested in getting
> find and tar to list the files the same way.
>
> Oh, and yes, I know this ain't the best way to do this computer-wise, but
> I'm trying to get something simple that beginners can sink they're teeth
> into.
>
> > Regardless, you really do need to do the sort, because you can't rely
> > on find (or Perl's File::Find) to list the files in any particular
> > order. If you want to diff two lists of files to see what's been
>
> Actually, I do fine. Things get written in the original order, then read
> back in the order they were written, so I'm fine.
>
> > added or deleted, you'll need to do some ordering on the list. You
>
> The goal is for the lists to be the same. Once I have the failover working
> I'll see if a checksum works right when they do match, but the failover
> has to work and I have to get everything written in the same format.
>
> > don't need to sort in perl though. You could just use the sort program,
> > but AFAIK, the data will still end up in memory.
>
> Yup.
>
> BTW, this went to discuss instead of devel because I thought it more of a
> "how to config tar and find to work the same" rather than a devel
> question. Guess I was wrong :).
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
> --
> # home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> # The only way for a woman to change a man
> # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: "Dennis Sacks" <>
> To: <>
> Subject: JLF = Kibo ?
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:28:21 -0700
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To:
>
>
>
> > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-)
> >
>
> Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even know who Kibo is?
>
> Dennis Sacks
>
> Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:28:19 -0700
> To:
> From: Alan Dayley <>
> Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ?
> <>
> <>
> <>
> <>
> Reply-To:
>
> I admit to being on the internet for at least 7 years and still not
> knowing
> who Kibo is. Enlighten me please.
>
> Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie
>
> At 09:28 AM 8/25/00 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
> > > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-)
> > >
> >
> >Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even know who Kibo is?
> >
> >Dennis Sacks
> >
> >Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 13
> From: "Michael Sheldon" <>
> To: <>
> Subject: RE: JLF = Kibo ?
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:11:09 -0700
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To:
>
> Kibo was the god of grep.
>
> He had a routine that would search the newsgroups, *ALL* of the
> newsgroups,
> for any mention of his name, to which you would get a reply.
>
> I got my first shell account about 8-9 years ago, and he was net.legend
> then.
>
> Michael J. Sheldon
> http://www.desertraven.com/
> Make a fast friend, adopt a greyhound!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Alan
> Dayley
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 22:28
> To:
> Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ?
>
>
> I admit to being on the internet for at least 7 years and still not
> knowing
> who Kibo is. Enlighten me please.
>
> Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie
>
> At 09:28 AM 8/25/00 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
> > > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-)
> > >
> >
> >Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even know who Kibo is?
> >
> >Dennis Sacks
> >
> >Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________
> >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
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>
> Message: 14
> From: Lucas Vogel <>
> To: "''"
> <>
> Subject: RE: diffing special chars
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:06:14 -0700
> charset="iso-8859-15"
> Reply-To:
>
> I bet there is a python function somewhere waiting for you to stumble on
> it!
> :) I spend about a half a day today trying to figure out how to use python
> for a really dinky little script, but I really came away very impressed
> with
> the sheer power of the language. I am a fan, and I will double my efforts
> to
> use it wherever possible in my Win32 environment at work, and definitely
> at
> home in my 100% Linux environment.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: der.hans [mailto:PLUGd@lufthans.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:31 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: diffing special chars
>
>
> Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Kevin Buettner so:
>
> > I used to do a lot of shell programming. I don't anymore. If I find
> > myself writing a shell script that ends up being longer than six lines
> > (or so), I switch to Perl.
>
> I'm moving that direction. I'll admit, however, that I make a lot of
> system calls in my nukeandpuke perl scripts :).
>
> > I'm puzzled by this statement. In the script I sent, you ended up
> > with the names of all of the files in a single (array) variable so
> > they could be sorted later on. The actual contents of the files were
> > never actually read. Surely you don't mean that your filename data is
> > 60+MB, do you?
>
> Yup. I'm not talking about the contents of the files, but I like David's
> compression mechanism. I'll have to ask him more about it ;-). I'm doing a
> listing of everything on the system, which then goes for backups. Most
> people (and myself most of the time) won't have this much, but right now I
> do :). Ever seen a shell using 150MB of memory? :) It's a great way to
> kill init...
>
> The only reason I mentioned it was file listings instead of just being
> random, but in the same order, strings is that I'm interested in getting
> find and tar to list the files the same way.
>
> Oh, and yes, I know this ain't the best way to do this computer-wise, but
> I'm trying to get something simple that beginners can sink they're teeth
> into.
>
> > Regardless, you really do need to do the sort, because you can't rely
> > on find (or Perl's File::Find) to list the files in any particular
> > order. If you want to diff two lists of files to see what's been
>
> Actually, I do fine. Things get written in the original order, then read
> back in the order they were written, so I'm fine.
>
> > added or deleted, you'll need to do some ordering on the list. You
>
> The goal is for the lists to be the same. Once I have the failover working
> I'll see if a checksum works right when they do match, but the failover
> has to work and I have to get everything written in the same format.
>
> > don't need to sort in perl though. You could just use the sort program,
> > but AFAIK, the data will still end up in memory.
>
> Yup.
>
> BTW, this went to discuss instead of devel because I thought it more of a
> "how to config tar and find to work the same" rather than a devel
> question. Guess I was wrong :).
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
> --
> # home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> # The only way for a woman to change a man
> # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans
>
>
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> Message: 15
> From: Lucas Vogel <>
> To: "PLUG (E-mail)" <>
> Subject: The Linux Drivers Petition
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:27:58 -0700
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To:
>
> Has everyone signed this yet?
>
> http://www.libralinux.com/petition.english.html
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Lucas Vogel, Software Developer
> Exponent Failure Analysis Associates, Inc.
>
> (623)587-6739
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 05:10:16 -0700
> From: Hawke <>
> To: plug-discuss <>
> Subject: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
> Reply-To:
>
> Guys,
> I've been putting this thing off long enough.
>
> I now need some help.
>
> I'd like to start a business that involves the use of computers
> in a small location that serves the public (A cybercafe').
>
> I would appreciate any additional input here 9especially from
> those who are either owners or major contributing partners
> in their respective organizations).
>
> I am also in need of funding sources (if you guys know of any
> where grants may be issued, etc, please let me know)
> 
> I am looking at 2 alternatives so far as the hardware is concerned:
> 1. 25 workstations (diskless)
>     specifications (workstations):
>         memory: 256 megabytes
>         video; 8 megabytes or more
>         embedded linux os for loading Xwindows (or windows if need be)
>             on an ethernet backbone to a main server (100baseT).
>         Large monitors (17 inch or greater)
>         CPU: athelon 550 Mhz or higher
>         (on some machines I will include "special access technology"
>             for the visually impaired)

> 
> Alternative 2:
>     25 workstations (permanently mounted laptops)
>         built in HDD's (restricted access)
>         100BaseT ethernet with embedded linux OS
>         CPU: Athelon 550 Mhz or higher

> 
> Server:
>     CPU:Athelon 700 Mhz or greater
>     Memory: 512 megabytes or greater
>     HDD: Multiple 30 gigbye drives/RAID/SCSI
>     Standard vid adaptor (this is also the admin station)
>     OS: linux/BSD/SCO Unix/SUN Solaris/winNT
>        (any of these, but prefer *nix)
>     2 Ethernet adaptors (100BaseT or fiber interface)

> 
> other equipment: 50 way switch (100BaseT)
>                           Routing panel
>                           card reader

>
> It has been suggested to me that I issue cards of prepaid time
> (such as 30 minute, 60 minute, up to 1000 minutes) for various prices.
> The cost is computed on a per-minute basis and the larger cards
> would reflect a discount).
>
> As always, location is important. since there are already 3 such
> places around ASU, I plan to look elsewhere (such as central
> Phoenix, downtown Phoenix, Downtown glendale and north glendale)
>
> I am looking at possible bidquotes for both alternatives listed above
> from local providers 9such as technology partners, pc-club, and others).
>
> I am also looking at who would offer the best backbone service
> (or should I go with more than one with an in-house peering
> arrangement?), such as Cox, AT&T, QWEST, Sprint, MCI.
>
> Let me know if I need to add anything to this.
> I am trying to get this idea going as quickly as possible.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:40:19 -0700
> From: "J.L.Francois" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ?
> Reply-To:
> Organization: MagusNet, Inc. Design * Develop * Integrate
> Reply-To:
>
> It seems like on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:28:19PM -0700, Alan Dayley
> scribbled:
> Orig Msg> I admit to being on the internet for at least 7 years and still
> not knowing
> Orig Msg> who Kibo is. Enlighten me please.
> Orig Msg>
> Orig Msg> Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie
>
> Back during the time of The Great Renaming I was still using Fido Gateways
> and got
> an account on Delphi for text based Internet Access.
> 
> Kibo - Net Legend
>        Before the Great Renaming of Usenet and the arrival of the unwashed
> masses
>        to the Internet, Kibo would grep the news spool and generate an
> autoresponse 
>        to any post that mentioned him.
>        if you look at the options for (X)Emacs there is a feature
>        to still Kiboize newsgroups even though it really isn't
>        feasible to do this anymore.

>
> For those of you into the history of the Internet take a look at these:
> http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/6U1.html
> http://www.kibo.com
>
>
> Sniff....those were the days...sniff...
>
> JLF Sends...
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> From: "Dennis Sacks" <>
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:59:26 -0700
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To:
>
> One concern about cyber cafes - have any of them been successful anywhere?
> I've never been in one that has had many customers. I like the idea of a
> cyber cafe in theory, but I'm not sure how it can be built into a good
> business model.
>
> > It has been suggested to me that I issue cards of prepaid time
> > (such as 30 minute, 60 minute, up to 1000 minutes) for various prices.
> > The cost is computed on a per-minute basis and the larger cards
> > would reflect a discount).
>
> Prepaid cards are good business. You have the customer's money (and can
> earn interest on it) and the customer has nothing but a piece of plastic
> that they one day *may* use.
>
> > I am also looking at who would offer the best backbone service
> > (or should I go with more than one with an in-house peering
> > arrangement?), such as Cox, AT&T, QWEST, Sprint, MCI.
>
> The best backbone service will be offered by some company called
> OpNIX......maybe you've heard of us?
>
> Dennis Sacks
>
> Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com
>
>
>
>
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