oh well. IMHO, VB ain't the prettiest language around, but I really don't
think that it's bloatware in itself. It simply allows users to create very
bloated apps, just like any other language.
-----Original Message-----
From: Furmanek, Greg [
mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:40 PM
To: '
plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
Not if you link statically.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
-> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM
-> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
->
->
-> don't you need the standard library?
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com]
-> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM
-> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
->
->
-> I do not need dependencies for compiled:
->
-> #include <stdio.h>
->
-> int
-> main (void) {
-> printf ("%s", "Visual basic is bloated");
-> return(0);
-> }
->
-> however if I wanted to do the same thing in VB I
-> need 2MB worth of files to install!!!
->
-> The Wolf
->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:51 AM
-> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> Tell me what happens when I install an rpm(program A) for
-> linux. What
-> -> happens if program A has missing dependencies? Then I have
-> -> to find and
-> -> download the library(library A) so that program A can work.
-> -> I also have to
-> -> ensure that library A has its dependencies satisfied, or
-> I'll also be
-> -> installing library B and/or C. It can get pretty recursive,
-> -> and also doesn't
-> -> take into account the different versions that different
-> -> executables rely on.
-> ->
-> -> You must not have read the part concerning the tarball when
-> -> I mentioned the
-> -> ./configure script, and how it CHECKS FOR DEPENDENCIES. If
-> -> the script fails
-> -> because of missing dependencies, you have to do the same
-> -> thing all over
-> -> again.
-> ->
-> -> When you compile a VB app, it does have dependencies. It
-> -> requires a minimum
-> -> number of DLL's for it to work. Big deal. Once the dll's are
-> -> installed you
-> -> can write as many apps as you want without having to send
-> -> the same dll's
-> -> over and over again. If you include some new ones, include
-> -> some new ones.
-> ->
-> -> And it's the same thing for Linux, only different. Linux
-> -> puts an entry into
-> -> the rpm db, MS into the Registry. But as far as
-> -> applications, dependencies
-> -> and distribution, it's still roughly the same thing. One
-> -> notable exception,
-> -> however, is that people on this list keep throwing FUD into
-> -> VB because VB is
-> -> Microsoft, and MS sucks on this list. That may be a
-> -> compelling argument for
-> -> their business practices, but it doesn't make any sense for
-> -> this argument.
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com]
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:25 AM
-> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> I do not understand why you comparing way of distributing
-> -> programs to the coding/programming discussion.
-> ->
-> -> RPM uses database to keep track of the files you installed.
-> -> Tarball is the *source* of a program you are going to
-> -> compile.
-> -> After you install you are going to end up with the same result
-> -> with the exception of the entry in the RPM database.
-> ->
-> -> On the other hand if you write VB 2-liner and you want to
-> -> distribute that you have to have 2/3 floppies just to fit
-> -> the supporitng libraries on it.
-> ->
-> -> The Wolf
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 9:31 AM
-> -> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> -> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Give ME a break. You get the same issues w/RPM's and
-> -> -> tarballs. The tarballs
-> -> -> have far more damaging potential, though, when you're
-> running the
-> -> -> ./configure script and it dies because of something you
-> -> may not know
-> -> -> anything about how to fix, something that happened
-> -> -> frequently when I was
-> -> -> running COL 2.2. Don't make this a Windows-only (or VB, for
-> -> -> that matter)
-> -> -> because it isn't.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: The Wolf [mailto:codewolf@earthlink.net]
-> -> -> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:19 PM
-> -> -> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
-> -> -> Subject: Re: Linux Programmer
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> William Lindley wrote:
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> > "Code bloat" in my mind is when you write a two-line VB
-> -> -> program and wind
-> -> -> > up with three megabytes of stuff that has to be installed.
-> -> -> Gimme a break.
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> > \\/
-> -> -> >
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-> -> -> AMEN to this one!!!!
-> -> ->
-> -> -> --
-> -> -> "The questions is not if we are paranoid,
-> -> -> the question is if we are paranoid enough."
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