Okay Now I don't generally think of myself as being a sloppy programmer but
looking back my Java code is almost *always* cleaner than my Perl and
certainly better than my VB. I think that's what the "exeperts" mean when
they say Java is a better. That the same programmer will code better in
Java. Of course a sloppy coder will code sloppy regardless of the language.
But its *easier* to code clean in Java, whereas in Perl/VBScript its often
easier to get away with sloppy code.
Carl Parrish
Webmaster
ComputerPREP.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Cantrell <
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To: <
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Linux Programmer
> I program a lot in Perl and I consider my code to be a work of art.... I
> can't stand looking at sloppy code.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sheldon" <msheldon@desertraven.com>
> To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:06 PM
> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
>
>
> > >Perl and VB allow for people to do some
> > sloppy programming.<
> >
> > I haven't seen a language yet where this cannot be done.
> >
> > I've seen some very good VB code, and I've seen some truly horrible Java
> > code. Yet the "experts" will tell you that Java is better because it
> > produces cleaner code. Yes, Java has better structure, and tends to
> enforce
> > better coding practices. However, if you take a sloppy programmer and
> teach
> > them to write Java, they will likely still produce sloppy code.
> >
> > How well the code is written depends entirely upon the person who writes
> it.
> > The absolute WORST code I've ever seen has been predominantly C.
> >
> > Michael J. Sheldon
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of
> > Furmanek, Greg
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 17:30
> > To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
> > Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
> >
> >
> > I have to disagree with this one.
> >
> > Python is an elegant language where VB and
> > Perl can be really ugly "mutter".
> >
> > Perl and VB allow for people to do some
> > sloppy programming. It can be done nice
> > but most of Perl programmers do not keep
> > their code clean. It lends itself to be
> > a real mess.
> >
> > The Wolf
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 3:23 PM
> > To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
> > Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
> >
> >
> > If there is ANY 'VB' to Linux, it's python/wxpython, not perl! :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trent Shipley [mailto:tshipley@symbio-tech.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 3:16 PM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of
> > > der.hans
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 1:11 PM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: Linux Programmer
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Anthony Walsh wrote:
> > >
> > > > Keith,
> > > >
> > > > To be honest with you I am not a programmer. I am familiar with
> > > > the concepts, and the buzz words that IT people throw out, but it
> > > > would be impossible for me to tell you what a Linux Programmer does.
> > >
> > > We presume this is done in c or c++, but it could be java. It would be
> > > nice to know that. The two places in town I know of that are working
> with
> > > it were doing c-based stuff last I knew.
> >
> > That is always my first thought, an OS <name> programmer is a programmer
> who
> > is used to developing REAL programs in OS <name>. Thus a Linux
programmer
> > programs in C for a Linux environment.
> >
> > HOWEVER, technical journals titled _Linux Programming_ are often about
> > script programming in the common Linux environments. In this case a
Linux
> > programmer is not a power developer of first tier applications in C, but
a
> > programmer who develops quick-and-dirty scripts to automate workloads
and
> > customize environments for users in a Linux shop (cf a VB programmer vs.
> > VC++ programmer in MS <os name>). This Linux programmer uses BASh,
> Sed/AWK,
> > PERL (the Linux answer to VB), TCL/TK . . . and *very little* C. [This
> > semantic use would also be consistent with the emphasis on networking. .
.
> > .]
> >
> >
> > Trent
> >
> >
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