Questions : switching back to Linux for my desktop

Wed Oct 26 09:09:17 MST 2022

Hi Matthew,

I have a start on my blog  :  https://www.phpcoderusa.com/

And my YouTube channel needs some love  :  
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpUBLSACaQu7rWeepTv36Qg/featured

I go by "PHP Coder USA".

Thanks for your inquiry!!
Keith

On 2022-10-26 08:29, Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Wait. No shameless youtube channel plug?
> all joking aside. What is your channel name?
> 
> Matthew
> 
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:36 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So to put this to rest, I broke out my old cheep dell laptop that is
>> 
>> about 6 or 7 years old. It already had Kubuntu 20.4 installed.  I do
>> not
>> recall installing Kubuntu on that laptop. I've been playing with it
>> for
>> a day or so.  I am very much impressed.
>> 
>> I pulled out my old Linux desktop and will be putting an SSD drive
>> into
>> it and installing Kubuntu on it.  It is an i5 with 4 cores and 4
>> threads.  I upgraded it years ago to 16Gb of RAM.
>> 
>> I expect Kubuntu will serve my needs.
>> 
>> I fall into the camp of I just want my computer to work. And I would
>> 
>> like to know more.  I'm an old guy and do not have the energy I used
>> to.
>> I have a lot of goals and things I would like to accomplish.
>> 
>> I prefer Linux over Microsoft.  I like making browser based business
>> web
>> apps using PHP/MySQL.
>> 
>> My ultimate goal is to get my YouTube channel and blog going.
>> 
>> Thank you to everyone for all of your input.  This was a good
>> thread.  I
>> sill have a ton of questions.  I use Linux to create LAMP servers. I
>> 
>> plan on developing a working knowledge of NGINX (LEMP). I'm not a
>> sys
>> admin, I'm a programmer.  Given all that I would like to learn what
>> I do
>> not know and strengthen what I do know.
>> 
>> Thanks!!
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>> On 2022-10-26 00:05, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 25 Oct 2022 06:30:34
>> -0700
>>> 
>>>> I don't really have the time to reply to all of this,
>>> 
>>> And yet here you are.
>>> 
>>>> but I did want
>>>> to reply to a couple of things.
>>>> 
>>>>> Let them go back to windows. Not everybody belongs in the Linux
>>>>> world.
>>>> 
>>>> This. This right here is why you shouldn't be giving advice to
>>>> newbies. This is the wrong attitude to have if you want to new
>> people
>>>> involved with Linux.
>>> 
>>> Not all newbies. The ones who should go back to windows are the
>> ones
>>> not willing to learn Linux. Linux was never intended for the dweeb
>>> whose computer interactions are email, web, and porn. Linux has
>> always
>>> been, and continues to be, for those who want to boss their
>> computers,
>>> not for those who want their computers to boss them.
>>> 
>>> Did you just emerge from 1999, when we thought everyone would be
>> using
>>> Linux on the desktop and laptop in a couple years? It's 2022, and
>> Linux
>>> slaughtered Microsoft and Apple (and proprietary Unix) on the
>> server,
>>> but still has only a dedicated core of desktop users. The KDE,
>> Gnome
>>> and systemd you tout erect barriers to those desktop users who
>> want to
>>> boss their computers, and who want at least some POSIX.
>>> 
>>> And don't forget that the lead developer on the systemd project
>> now
>>> works for Microsoft. What could *possibly* go wrong?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> New people are a good thing, they have new ideas
>>>> and new directions that they want to go, and will take things to
>>>> places never thought before. To push them out will create a dying
>>>> community.
>>> 
>>> Like I said, I recommend working with users willing to use Linux.
>>> 
>>>> For new people, easier is better, hence GNOME or KDE being a good
>>>> recommendation.
>>> 
>>> There's absolutely nothing easy or intuitive about Gnome3. If you
>> want
>>> easy and intuitive, LXDE and LXQt are what you want.
>>> Have you ever used them? XFCE is also in that category, although
>> on
>>> Linux (as opposed to OpenBSD) I've found XFCE glitchy, and XFCE
>> isn't
>>> light enough for an anemic computer, which is the computer a lot
>> of
>>> Windows users have available to dabble with Linux.
>>> 
>>>> Once they get their footing then they can go and try
>>>> more esoteric things as they get comfortable. Having them try to
>> use
>>>> straight openbox with a custom configuration is NOT the right
>> advice
>>>> for a new person.
>>> 
>>> Please remember, I recommended LXDE and LXQt. My point of Openbox
>> was
>>> to say that if you want an interface that completely stays out of
>> your
>>> way the way you say Gnome3 does, my interface does that.
>>>> 
>>>> Lastly, yes I did mean "integrated" and not "dependent" or
>>>> "entangled".
>>> 
>>> No matter what you *meant*, "integrated" implies entangled.
>>> 
>>>> GNOME 3/4 in no way, shape, or form, REQUIRES systemd.
>>>> You don't have to look far to prove this as it runs on FreeBSD,
>> which
>>>> is systemd-free. And no you don't have to jump through hoops to
>> get it
>>>> working, you install it and enable a couple services and poof it
>> works
>>>> just as well as on any other Linux system. GNOME also a
>> first-class
>>>> desktop environment on Void.
>>> 
>>> Well, the Gentoo/Funtoo people sure had to jump through hoops to
>> get
>>> Gnome working with OpenRC, but yeah, you're right, as shown at
>>> 
>> 
> https://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=All&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=GNOME&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=Not+systemd&status=Active#simple
>>> 
>>> Therefore, I can recommend Void to somebody who wants Gnome.
>>> 
>>> SteveT
>>> 
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