Oracle's VirtualBox RANT

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Thanks Bob!!

- I am running VB 7.0
- I accepted all the defaults when installing Ubuntu 20.04lts - that 
means DHCP.
- There are no entries in the VP network menu: files->tools->network 
manger.
- Guest network: click on guest : right mouse click->settings->network 
is set to nat.
    - ip is 10.0.2.15/25
       - sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade both work
       - This is not my network, I am on 192.x.x.x










On 2022-11-15 10:20, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> This sounds more like a network problem than a virtual box problem.
> When I set up my virtual machines I use bridged networking and let
> DHCP give out the address it should also tell the virtual machine the
> route to the internet.
> 
> What IP address are you getting when you have access to the internet,
> and what address do you get when you're connected to the local
> network?
> 
> This just sounds like a routing issue
> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:42 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As you probably know I am struggling to configure Oracle's
>> VirtualBox
>> for web development testing.
>> 
>> VirtualBox is a mess.  I cannot get it to work for PHP testing.  It
>> will
>> either work external so I can build the server OR I can make it
>> visible
>> to my local net and I am not able to pull in any packages.
>> 
>> My expectation was that I could download and install VB then create
>> a
>> guest instance and configure my VM as I like, and in my case I want
>> to
>> have it have an IP on my local private network, and be able to put
>> that
>> IP in my browser and do some testing.
>> 
>> VirtualBox in my opinion is what is wrong with technology.  I've
>> said it
>> before and I'll say it again, technology has become too difficult.
>> Case
>> in point, last year I configured a full-stack host in my home
>> office.
>> This was complete with BIND, Postfix, and Dovecot.  With a little
>> studying Bind is doable. Postfix, and Dovecot on the other hand are
>> total enigmas.  I probably need to spend 30 or 40 hours to
>> understand
>> setting up and configuring Postfix, and Dovecot.
>> 
>> I was able to get things to work, however I still do not know how.
>> 
>> PHP is the same in my opinion.  To be a PHP dev requires a large
>> stack
>> of technologies.  I'm starting to feel the barrier to entry is too
>> high.
>> About 3 years ago I attended several AzPHP meetings and I was
>> amazed to
>> discover that the top programmers actually were embracing this level
>> of
>> complexity. There was one guy,who is accomplished, that actually
>> looked
>> down on anyone who was not at his level.  Yikes!!
>> 
>> I'm talking about things like Composer and dependency injection.
>> Anyone
>> know there is three ways to configure and use dependency injection.
>> I
>> do not recall all 3 off the top of my head.
>> 
>> CodeIgniter 1 and 2 used dependency injection in a way that hid the
>> complexities of dependency injection.  It was so subtle that you
>> don't
>> even know you are implementing dependency injection.
>> 
>> I really liked CodeIgniter 1 and 2.  It hid the complexities of web
>> development and was the closest thing I've seen in web development
>> that
>> was rapid application development (RAD).
>> 
>> One of the things I really liked about CodeIgniter  was it's
>> simplicity.
>> A middle school kid could learn enough about it in a weekend to
>> start
>> building something.
>> 
>> Back to VirtualBox... It is entirely too complicated and I'm not
>> sure
>> why.  Can anyone shed light on this?
>> 
>> I read that everyone should learn how to program.  Why?  Programming
>> 
>> itself is simple... doing anything remotely useful requires you get
>> down
>> into the mud of the complexities of building an application.
>> 
>> I fell in love with programming at the UofA in 1983.  I feel in love
>> 
>> with Linux in 1998 when a friend told me about it. Yes I'm old. And
>> I've
>> seen a lot.
>> 
>> What was VirtualBox created for and does it need to be so complex?
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
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