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Michael
bmike1 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 30 19:01:19 MST 2017
I'm going to run the gl test and run audio at the same time. That should
make it crash sooner and the audio will also make it not go to sleep....
While i sleep.
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> i'm trying to recreate the crash to make sure I didn't copy and paste the
> stress command with a blank space in it (which would cause the command to
> execute).
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> final reading:
>>> $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took
>>> the side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new
>>> reading since doing that about 3 minutes ago is:
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +71.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> Not bad.... about a 2C drop
>>>
>>> Now we crash it!
>>> See you on the other side!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is
>>>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good.
>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> want me to crash it now?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some
>>>>>> cooling wouldn't improve things.
>>>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried
>>>>>> to reproduce the crash yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals
>>>>>>> (if it helps):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just
>>>>>>>> before a crash
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not
>>>>>>>>> feasible!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low
>>>>>>>>>>>> it will just be annoying.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t
>>>>>>>>>>>> emperature
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address
>>>>>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening up your case and point a fan in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress. that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dt) but a power failure outage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum temperature so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ran dt for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me but there it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get a gpu.... correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degrading over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card. Depending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps stability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit the snooze button.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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