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Michael
bmike1 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 30 18:48:40 MST 2017
i'm trying to recreate the crash to make sure I didn't copy and paste the
stress command with a blank space in it (which would cause the command to
execute).
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> final reading:
>> $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took the
>> side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new reading
>> since doing that about 3 minutes ago is:
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +71.5°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> Not bad.... about a 2C drop
>>
>> Now we crash it!
>> See you on the other side!
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is
>>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good.
>>>> $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> want me to crash it now?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some
>>>>> cooling wouldn't improve things.
>>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried
>>>>> to reproduce the crash yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals
>>>>>> (if it helps):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just before
>>>>>>> a crash
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not feasible!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with
>>>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low
>>>>>>>>>>> it will just be annoying.
>>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you
>>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t
>>>>>>>>>>> emperature
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address
>>>>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening up your case and point a fan in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management
>>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress. that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dt) but a power failure outage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum temperature so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get a gpu.... correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fiesta Blvd. Suite 101 Gilbert, Az. 85233
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is degrading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card. Depending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps stability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit the snooze button.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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