new thread: QoS, latency, bandwidth and the FCC/net neutrality debate

[Herminio Hernandez Jr.]

Steve we just fundamentally disagree. The idea that rolling back NN will result in weekly outcries and basically the end of the internet  borders on hysteria. I am all for a Free and Open Internet, however I strongly disagree that Net Neutrality is the answer. It asks for that which is technically not feasible. The idea that you can treat the internet like POTS  lines is laughable to anyone who understands networking. I would never trust anyone who called themselves a network engineer who said ‘yeah you can treat voice, video, and data traffic the same way’. 

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> On Nov 27, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:30:25 -0700
> "Herminio Hernandez, Jr." <herminio.hernandezjr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Here is a good presentation by Bryan Lunduke on NN
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csK3KspB-6A
> 
> I got to time marker 7:20 on that video, which is already more than I
> had time for, and just based on 0-7:20, I call bullshit. The guy first
> says, "yeah, there was throttling by the big ISPs, but through public
> outcry and lawsuits they were stopped."
> 
> Maybe we don't want to resume lawsuits and public outcry every few
> weeks when one deep pocket ISP or another throttles or sabotages a
> competitor or web presence they don't like. Maybe some of us don't like
> paying lawyers.
> 
> Then, around the seven minute mark, he says something to the effect
> that when ISPs throttled, customers switched ISPs. Out of touch much?
> Where I live, you have a choice of Spectrum, or the Centurylink phone
> company who can give me about 2MBit down, without satellite latency,
> because I'm more than 10K feet from their nearest plant. Much more of
> the populace is like me (or in a worse situation) than like wherever
> Lunduke lives. 
> 
> When I want a tool, I can go to Home Depot, Lowes, True Value, Ace,
> Harbor Freight, and if I want a cheap junk tool, Walmart. When I want
> broadband with 21st century uplink and downlink speed that doesn't go
> down in rainstorms, I've got Spectrum, Spectrum and Spectrum. Six tool
> vendors I can get to compete for my business, but one broadband vendor.
> 
> So Lunduke says they throttle if they can get away with it, and he
> implies a falsehood when he speaks of switching vendors. This is
> exactly my point. If every American had six possible ISPs, and if the
> US enforced their antitrust laws and prosecuted collusion, there would
> be no need for net neutrality. I hope to someday see such a situation,
> but til then, ISPs need to be regulated like utilities.
> 
> One more thing. Lunduke keeps referring to the golden age before 2015.
> Well, in 2014, there were still paper alternatives if you couldn't use
> the Internet. You could still fill out paper job applications. You
> could still buy goods in a vibrant brick and mortar marketplace. Those
> days are gone: The Internet is now a necessity, and in most locations
> Internet providers are a monopoly. They need to be regulated as
> utilities: Same as electricity.
> 
> If you want to take a stand, why not write to congress telling them to
> pass a law invalidating all the state laws preventing municipalities
> from providing Internet to their citizens. Take a stand for competition.
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt 
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