systemd [NOT?] (was Re: Void Linux tips)

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

Why are users opposed to systemd? I personally like it.

I am a CentOS user and there was a big jump for me when moving from 6.x 
to 7.x with only one of those components being systemd. It was not 
systemd that made the transition difficult, but app changes (NTP, 
FIREWALL, etc) which were the problem. I not only had to learn systemd 
so I could start the apps, but had to learn how to program Firewalld and 
their new ntp program Chrony. I really believe that systemd is progress 
and makes things simpler to automate startup.

Gilbert

On 10/22/2015 10:42 AM, kitepilot at kitepilot.com wrote:
> OK, I get it, I don't want systemd either.
> So seems to feel most everyone.
> But it looks like (sigh...) systemd is here to stay.
> In 5 lines, what is it that I don't see?
> Why are all the distros systemd(ing) disregarding the opposition?
> What am I missing...   :(
> ET
> Steve Litt writes:
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:36:57 -0700
>> Matt Graham <mhgraham at crow202.org> wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-21 12:05, Steve Litt wrote:
>>> > I recently switched over to Void Linux, a KISS principle distro much
>>> > closer to Slack than to Ubuntu, but with an oustanding, full
>>> > dependency handling package manager. So far, I really like it.
>>> > I've put together a bunch of tips for installing and using Void, so
>>> > that the next guy has an easier time than I did:
>>> > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/void/voidtips.htm
>>> Interesting.  I guess this could be another alternative to the
>>> creeping "systemd is everywhere" thing.
>>
>> Yes. For those who prioritize keeping systemd off their machine, Void
>> is one of the few distros (along with Funtoo and Devuan and maybe
>> Slackware) who have stated unequivocally that they won't use systemd as
>> PID1 in the future. I've even heard various people in talking about
>> bringing systemd or a systemd like thing into FreeBSD.
>> It's also a nice place for people who don't like sysvinit. Every
>> program that could be used as a daemon installs a runit directory,
>> under /etc/sv, containing a tiny conf script (usually about 4 lines) and
>> a tiny run script (usually about 4 to 8 lines). Symlink that directory
>> to a same-named directory within /run/runit/runsvdir/current/ and the
>> daemon starts, and you're able to manage it with the sv command.
>> SteveT
>> Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
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