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[Kevin Fries]

Turning off uefi will turn off secure boot also.  But secure boot is your
actual problem.

Kevin
On Jul 19, 2014 10:26 AM, <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:

>
> And maybe it was some confusion on my part.  I did have to turn off the
> UEFI? with On my Dell when I installed Linux on it.
>
>
> On 2014-07-19 10:21, Kevin Fries wrote:
>
>> UEFI is not the problem. As a matter of fact,  it probably helps the
>> Linux enthusiasts break the Microsoft Monopoly better than anything I
>> have seen in a long time.
>>
>> UEFI is designed such that there is one one boot secror.  Instead, it
>> had 128 boot records and that number can be extended infinitely.
>> The standard was also opened years ago... it was designed by Intel.
>>
>> Microsoft not one to have their illegal monopoly threatened, came up
>> with another scheme to lock out open operating systems...
>> security-related OS
>> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-evaluated_operating_system
>> [2].  In this scheme, the vendor would only allow these secured,
>> certified operating systems to be installed.  You had a choice
>> initially of one... Windows, but you had only the choice of that one
>> on the list.
>>
>> Just remember, you may recognize many names on that list, but they are
>> all paid operating systems.  Because the cost of this certification
>> is expensive.  That's why you find Enterprise Red Hat, but not
>> Fedora.
>>
>> Well, the real joke is, most machines sold with Windows 8 have this
>> Bios feature turned on, but there is an option in the Bios to turn it
>> off.  When you are no longer limiter to certified OSes, you can
>> install whatever you like.
>>
>> Now if HE were only as worried about making their customers happy as
>> they were making Microsoft happy, they would have told you that.
>>
>> Kevin
>> On Jul 18, 2014 10:42 PM, <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
>>
>>  On 2014-07-18 19:49, Jerry Snitselaar wrote:
>>> On Fri Jul 18 14, techlists at phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>>> On 2014-07-18 14:19, Bob Holtzman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:52:05AM -0700,
>>>>
>>> techlists at phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From my experience Dell is Linux friendly. I'd double check if it
>>>>> will run Linux though.  I think the new HP's will not.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reason?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it has something to do with the bios.  I have a 4.5 year
>>> old HP
>>> laptop that runs Linux, however it is my understanding the new ones
>>> will
>>> not.
>>>
>>> Are you talking about uefi? That shouldn't be a problem.
>>>
>>
>>  I do not recall.  It has been about a year. I was going to buy an HP
>> laptop and either someone on the list told me it would not run Linux
>> or HP told me so.  I did not buy the laptop.
>>
>>
>>>>>> Last year when I bought a new Dell workstation. After telling
>>>>>>
>>>>> them I
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         ..........huge snip..........
>>>>>
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