About Michael Havens, the list and the people...

[Stephen]

I do not always answer, and sometimes i do feel there is a lack of research
as well. but i for one would not discourage him from asking questions of
the list. and ironically his questions help me learn more on my own either
out of curiosity or simply observing the thread go by.

Either way he is a good sort and has indeed jumped in with both feet into a
new and sometimes unforgiving OS and has come a long way.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Eric Cope <eric.cope at gmail.com> wrote:

> Those are really good points Enrique.
>
> An important step in the learning process is go from watching to doing.
> May I recommend that Michael *try* researching, then post his question
> along with what he has found and why he thinks his results are not his
> answer, or does not understand the results?
>
> We all got started somewhere, so I respect the questions, I myself ask
> questions as well. I also respect the group enough to at least try to find
> the answer on my own.
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:50 AM, kitepilot at kitepilot.com <
> kitepilot at kitepilot.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello List:
>> I am very well aware that Michael sometimes don't pose the most
>> challenging questions and sometimes shows a total lack of previous
>> research.
>> I am also *VERY* well aware of how hard Michael is trying to learn and
>> better himself.
>> As a lifelong teacher (even though I don't make a living as one), I have
>> found over the years people that go after knowledge and people that wait
>> for knowledge to be brought to them.
>> I have found people that picks up new ideas like sponges and people that
>> seem to have a wall for learning.
>> That is valid for anything that I have taught semi-professionally, which
>> spans from hang-gliding to computer science, snowboarding and pilot
>> training.
>> This is what I have found about Michael:
>> 1.-  Michael *IS* going after knowledge.
>> 2.-  Michael *HAS* difficulties to acquire knowledge.
>> I believe, as some people has expressed here, that Michael is a valuable
>> member here because he represents the kind of people that needs the most
>> help.  I also believe that nobody here should be judging Mike for his
>> ability (or lack of) to gain knowledge.
>> I agree that you are free to block Mike if you wish, but I disagree with
>> anyone publicly stating 'Mike is so dumb that we should kick him out'
>> because that express and undeserved and ignorant judgement and narrows the
>> limits of those willing to participate in this list.
>> I don't block Mike, although I don't always answer.
>> And I have the utmost respect for him.
>> Mike, please don't leave this list.
>> Enrique A. Troconis
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