Questions about Kubuntu 12.04 and its updates

[Lisa Kachold]

Linux package management systems have come a long way in the last 15 years.
 Most distros (of note) are based on apt or yum of which various update
GUIs are available for point and click management.

For each package, you have the ability to lock a package, revert back an
update, or fix the issue with the update.
With the powerful support inherent in the open source model, anyone
googling the error message should be able to quickly fix any issue.

Using linux is a learning experience, and updates exist in all computer
systems today, which is yet one blatant indicator that time marches on; we
are involved with non-static constantly evolving systems (both our
knowledge and our use patterns continue to evolve in addition with the
distros themselves).

Try not to toss out the baby with the bath water Joe.  You have a choice of
course to stand static, however you lose the development fixes and new
capabilities with your stubborn bad attitude toward progress, change and
package updates, as well as placing yourself at risk with any of the
exploits and issues inherent in your old distro, (which admittedly is
probably low as a desktop system).

Break/fix for update issues is as trivial today as rolling back the update,
or changing your boot GRUB2 to boot the old kernel (should you find a
virualbox issue that precludes using one of your old virtuals with the
UserTools for instance).

For assistance, I can refer you to visit the installfesters if you want to
schedule your update when there will be someone available to assist?  Of
course, we are all on the edge of our chairs waiting to assist you with
your Kubuntu Updates?

That's a nice distro BTW, but compared with Ubuntu's other distros, DOES
have potential packaging issues (all of which ARE trivially fixable)!  Let
us prove it to you?


On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:35 PM, <joe at actionline.com> wrote:

> As a long-time Linux user, I have tried dozens of different Linux distros
> and been repeatedly frustrated by the endless changes that often seem to
> have made things worse (for me) rather than better.
>
> Of course, there have also been many improvements along the way, but I've
> been burned so many times by doing an update that created a horrific mess
> that I finally came to the point that I have kept one or more older
> systems running an older version of some distro that I got to a reliable
> state as a fall-back position when updates on newer distros created yet
> another nightmare for me.
>
> The best (for me) system I ever had was PCLinuxOS with KDE 3.5 and I still
> have it on a couple of my systems which I *never* "updated" and which have
> remained rock solid.  Simultaneously, I suffered through endless ongoing
> nightmares with KDE 4 until I finally got a system that sort-of worked,
> marginally, but with a lot of goofy, needless widgets and garbage that I
> did not and do not want.
>
> Meanwhile, I tried numerous other distros and environments, none of which
> were as stable, practical, versatile, and functional (to my liking) as PCL
> KDE 3.5.
>
> Just as I started to get a PCL-KDE 4.6 to work reasonably well, PCL forced
> some new so-called "updates" on me that wrecked the whole system and
> caused it to completely quit working.  So, I am finally fed up with PCL's
> "rolling release" fiasco and trying, once again, to find a Linux distro
> that I can "lock-in" without being subjected to yet more "updates" that
> screw up my whole world and cause me endless wasted hours trying to fix
> what wasn't broken before another nuisance "update."
>
> Since I have always preferred a Redhat based derivative, I've generally
> tried to avoid anything *buntu based.  Among the many dozens of distros
> I've tried, older versions of Mandriva and PCLinux have been the
> best/most-stable I've used. I also tried CentOS and Mageia but ran into
> numerous problems with them.  Also tried Mint, Suse, Arch, Puppy, Sabayon,
> Slackware, Vector, Knoppix, Backtrack, Salix, among many more. I know that
> I want nothing to do with gnome or unity.
>
> Recently I tried Kubuntu (12.04) and it seemed potentially pretty good
> (with a few annoying problems), but then right after I installed it, I got
> an "update" notice listing a huge number of changes it wants to do and I
> thought "Oh, no, not again."
>
> So, please forgive the rant, but why can't we have stable Linux distro
> that doesn't try to force endless "updates" on us?   I hate updates.  They
> almost always mess up my systems.
>
> I just want a stable system that does not keep pushing changes.
>
> Are any of you Kubuntu users who have done all these hundreds of changes
> to 12.04 without experiencing problems as a result?
>
>
>
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