[Michael Havens]

I'm all ears, buddy. Tell us why.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Kevin Fries <kfries6 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, now I know why it is so hard to hire people that are competent!
>  Python is fun, not right, but fun... Thats your argument?  If you want to
> know why we refuse to hire Python programmers at our company, I can give you
> real facts on why you should not use that language as a place to learn...
> Not opinions.
>
> Kevin
>
> Sent from my Nokia phone
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Zeidner
> Sent:  02/20/2010 4:17:23 PM
> Subject:  Re:
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >  Seems like we have a lot of opinions here.  Here is a paper from ACM
> > on the use of Python in for teaching programming.
> >
> >    http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=114017
>
>  sorry wrong link:  http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1140123.1140177
>
>       -jmz
>
> >
> >  -jmz
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Austin William Wright
> > <diamondmagic at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >> Alan Dayley wrote:
> >>> Python.
> >>>
> >> Absolutely NOT PYTHON. It breaks the first two rules of programming, the
> >> assignment operator (=) assigns values to a variable, and always ignore
> >> whitespace. Well my first two rules, at least. Plus it sucks at
> >> consistent use of object-oriented programming.
> >>
> >> If you *really* need a general-purpose programming language, look at
> >> Ruby, it's slightly more well behaved. Slightly. I would recommend
> >> Javascript, it's a major programming language, and you can run it in
> >> your web browser with literally nothing to install. Plus Javascript is
> >> closely related to XML and HTML, while not programming languages, are
> >> markup languages (a way of storing data) that is becoming very important
> >> to know for many things. Though designed for the web, many of these
> >> things are finding themselves become part of everyday computing,
> >> especially XML. For these things, http://www.w3schools.com/ is popular.
> >>
> >> Any scripting language might be a good start at learning about
> >> if/then/else logic, but none of these languages are going to teach how
> >> computers really *process* or *store* information on the inside (how the
> >> CPU executes the program or how variables are stored in memory), or for
> >> that matter write an actual interactive computer program, you will need
> >> a real language like C or C++. After learning something like Javascript
> >> you will find C surprisingly limited in functionality if you try and do
> >> things the same way, especially variable-length variables like strings
> >> and arrays. Keep that fact in the back of your head for when, if, you
> >> attempt C/C++.
> >>
> >> Whatever you do, Google "<x> tutorial" should bring up something good.
> >> In the way of books, however, you can't miss ones from O'Reilly (
> >> http://oreilly.com/ ), they are jade/teal and have a random animal on
> >> the cover.
> >>
> >> Austin Wright.
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