OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

[Bryan O'Neal]

Not only that but they have a controled economy - they will pay for Dr.
education - but if they have a serpluss of Dr.s you don't get to be one. In
addtion, unless you are in the larger cities, they assign you a Dr. and that
is it - no consumer choose, no second opinion, etc. Further more it is
highly unlikely you will see a Dr. Usually a lesser medical professional.
Here you chose what you want - but you also pay for it. I personally hate
the Canadian system.  What is worse is if you look at full costing with the
subsidized education, price control, subsidized medication, subsidized
equipment and buildings, etc. The actual cost of care is higher then in the
US.

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:41 AM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I'm curious who pays for the German public health system.  Someone pays.
> And is there rationing?
>
> The Canadian system is said to be good until you dig a little.  They have
> rationing.  Canada also has a very high tax rate.
>
> Under the proposed system the costs are paid in many ways.  This is so we
> will not be fully aware of the cost.  For example someone wrote that we will
> be taxed at 3.8% on a house sale.  For a $150,000 home that would be
> $5,700.  Think about that, that is your wealth.  And I read there will be an
> added payroll tax of 8%.  If you make $50k a year that is $4,000 a year for
> just one person.  That money is going to come from somewhere.  Either direct
> tax or reduced pay if shared by your employer.
>
> The Government is good at hiding how much you are taxed.  Look at your W2.
> Your employer pays SSI + Medicare for you and so do you.  It is a combined
> 15.3%.  You do not feel it because it is a little every payday.
>
> It is said the average tax payer (only 50% of Americans pay taxes) pays
> about 50% of what they make in taxes.
>
> Recently at Frys Electronics I paid 9.1% sails tax.  Yikes!
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, der.hans <PLUGd at LuftHans.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: der.hans <PLUGd at LuftHans.com>
>
> Subject: Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 11:32 PM
>
>
> Am 28. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Steve Holmes so:
>
> moin moin,
>
> > Sorry for the politics, but I think we need a good strong single payer
> > system like they have in Germany; I always heard that their system was
> > quite excellent.
>
> I was quite happy with Germany's system. I didn't need to use it much, but
> did have a couple of emergencies. Care was good. I think there was less
> pain management than in the US, but that didn't bother me too much. OTOH,
> I know people who had what I'd consider to be extreme precautions as part
> of their medical care. Maybe the lack of pain mgt was because I didn't
> complain or exhibit great concern about the pain I was in. It was quite
> inexpensive despite having to see Dr. Fee :).
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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