NOT OT: re plain text vs HTML - DRUPAL User HTML/TEXT Settings at SIGNUP
Lisa Kachold
lisakachold at obnosis.com
Tue Feb 3 17:41:40 MST 2009
Quite so, - As you can see this message was sent using plain text.
On newer versions of Drupal/mailman there is an option for text only within the lists.
Hans doesn't have all the plugin features enabled on his Drupal.
NOTE: Older version as heavily customized as Hans' system were difficult to mod.
http://www.nobleprog.co.uk/training/managing+mailing+lists+mailman
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> From: alex at crackpot.org
> To: plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: NOT OT: re plain text vs HTML - DRUPAL User HTML/TEXT Settings at SIGNUP
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:36:01 -0700
>
> The 'input format' option doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
> Specifying an email as plaintext, html, multipart, etc, is done by the
> mail client, not by the mailing list that distributes the message
> (mailman) or by an integrated CMS (Drupal). This looks like
> configuration for how system admins can send messages to all site users.
>
> If users choose to send a message containing only HTML, that's
> unfortunate. It's not any harder to sent a multi-part email which
> will be much easier for text-to-speech and other non-visual clients to
> use. Configuring that has been easy in the mail clients I've used
> recently (Apple Mail and Thunderbird). But I don't think the Drupal
> config posted below has any bearing on that issue. What am I missing?
>
> The mailman options I see for my list subscription allow me to select
> a mime or plaintext digest, if I want to get a digest version of the
> list. Other than than, I don't see any delivery-format options at http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/options/plug-discuss/
> .
>
> alex
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>> HTML Email:
>>
>> As you can see below, Drupal can be configured for HTML only mimemail.
>> If Drupal is installed correctly and permissions allow, users can
>> choose HTML mail during signup.
>>
>> MimeMail plugin is only available for Drupal 4.7 http://drupal.org/project/Modules/category/64
>> Here's the Mailman plugin for Drupal 5/6:http://webscripts.softpedia.com/script/Modules/Drupal-Modules/User-mailman-register-47712.html
>>
>> Here's what the configuration looks like:
>>
>> From http://hackfest.obnosis.com (Drupal 5.3) and http://l0calh0st.obnosis.com
>> (Drupal 6.5)
>> Mail
>> Please choose a mail engine.
>> E-mail address:
>> A valid e-mail address for this website, used by the auto-mailer
>> during registration, new password requests, notifications, etc.
>> Use mime mail for all messages
>> Use the mime mail module to deliver all site messages. With this
>> option, system emails will have styles and formatting
>> Input format
>> Filtered HTML
>> • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links
>> automatically.
>> • Allowed HTML tags:
>>
>> • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
>> PHP code
>> • You may post PHP code. You should include tags.
>> Full HTML
>> • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links
>> automatically.
>> • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
>> • Allowed HTML tags:
>>
>> • You may post PHP code. You should include tags.
>> MediaWiki markup
>> More information about formatting options
>> Plaintext email only
>> This option disables the use of email messages with graphics and
>> styles. All messages will be converted to plain text.
>> Advanced Settings
>> Process incoming messages posted to this site
>> This is an advanced setting that should not be enabled unless you
>> know what you are doing
>> Message validation string: *
>> This string will be used to validate incoming messages. It can be
>> anything, but must be used on both sides of the transfer
>> E-mail engine: Mime Mail - Default mailing engine using
>> drupal_mail().SMTP - SMTP mailing engine using SMTP module.
>> Choose an e-mail engine for sending mails from your site.
>>
>> So, that's using the mimemail plugin and the choices are defined in
>> the USER SETTINGs at the signup site.
>>
>> For Administrators, multiple mailing lists can be easily setup and
>> administered via Drupal.
>>
>>
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>>> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:31:13 -0700
>>> Subject: NOT OT: re plain text vs HTML
>>> From: lthielster at gmail.com
>>> To: plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>>
>>> Technomage wrote:
>>>>There are, in fact, a few of us (like me) who use text only
>> readers for
>>>>various reasons (such as visual impairment) and html formatted
>> messages
>>>>are definitely the bane of out existence.
>>>>
>>>>its been proper etiquette on the internet since its inception
>> that mail
>>>>usually is plain text and if you wish to send media (pictures,
>> etc) that
>>>>its attached (in mime printable form). this may seem archaic, but
>> it
>>>>generally works out well for most of us.
>>>>
>>>>now my client here can read html formatted messages, but the speech
>>>>device will not read me the output, instead it will read the
>> underlying
>>>>source of the text (which gets noisy, frustrating, and tends to
>> have me
>>>>filter such without even reading it)
>>>>
>>>>I, for one, have a problem with such mails and tend to filter
>> them into
>>>>the junk box. if anything important gets in there, its gone (if its
>>>>really important, the sender will have sent as plain text with an
>> html
>>>>attachment . this way, I can still read it and those
>> with
>>>>extra features can use the html to their own contentment).
>>>>
>>>>sorry of I may seem a bit terse toward those using html formatted
>> text
>>>>messages, but you folks should be aware there are almost 30 million
>>>>others like me and we would rather not have our lives made any
>> harder
>>>>than it already is.
>>>
>>> Finally a good reason to use plain text as opposed to reasons to
>> avoid
>>> HTML. I confess this had not occurred to me. I would have think that
>>> modern text readers would read HTML embedded text without source
>> tags
>>> etc. even had I thought about it. If there are not, there certainly
>>> need to be. Sounds like an opportunity for someone.
>>>
>>> I use gmail for this list and a few other things. gmail really has
>> no
>>> formatting means for plain text which is one reason to prefer the
>>> "Rich formatting" option. To even include technomages comment as
>>> "quoted" I had to manually insert the symbols on each line. Other
>>> email clients offer more formatting tools for plain text. Sounds
>> like
>>> a suggestion to send to google.
>>>
>>> For most email I use Thunderbird. Thunderbird has an option that
>> says
>>> "When sending messages in HTML and one or more recipients are not
>>> listed as being able to receive HTML:"
>>> - Ask me what to do
>>> - Convert the message to plain text
>>> - Send the message in HTML anyway
>>> - Send the message in both plain text and HTML
>>>
>>> I think the last option is the default, but all I know for sure is
>>> that is what mine is set to. I never checked whether that means it
>>> sends both to all recipients or separate sends for plain text
>>> recipients. Would that email had something similar.
>>>
>>> **** Technomage, do you know if your reader works right for a
>> message
>>> that Thunderbird sends with that 4th option?
>>>
>>> The Tbird address book allows you to specify for each recipient what
>>> format they prefer. I notice also that the send options in
>>> Thunderbird allow format selection based on the destination domain.
>>> Mine shows a number of domains under HTML, but none under Plain Text
>>> --
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>>> animal that is struck with the difference between what things are
>> and
>>> what they ought to be.
>>> - William Hazlitt
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