OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
Stephen P Rufle
stephen.p.rufle at cox.net
Wed Dec 10 16:15:24 MST 2008
www.linuxa2z.com was setup after lindependence 08 in July. I think it
needs some love and attention. Maybe it could serve as a place for
reasonable promotional material.
You need all types both brash and gentle.
Sort of like Malcolm X is to Martin Luther King.
I am sure Ken would love the help, You could also ask to be put on
list at fixedbylinux.com (not a real list like ours), then you could help
roll the large Linux rock up the steep public opinion hill :)
BTW: I already know that many in the Phoenix Metro area are doing their
part. I would love to see synergy between the information learned from
the sequoia charter school and the rest of the country. One of the
people on Helos's list is guy named Christian Einfeldt and he is doing
good things about documenting Open source success stories.
http://www.digitaltippingpoint.com/
Bob Elzer wrote:
> How about Im-a-pc-and-I-run-linux.com
>
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> *James Mcphee
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> *Subject:* Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
>
> Hmm... Whether or not the story is real doesn't really affect us one
> way or the other. I believe we can all agree that the action taken in
> this possibly fictitious account is not a good example of how to advance
> the FOSS cause.
>
> In the discussion, though, it seems that people have seen problems with
> educators needing educating about the alternatives to MS. Does anyone
> know any good material that doesn't speak down to the lay-person? I've
> found that most people, and cash-strapped educators particularly, are
> open to new information if presented in a non-threatening and
> non-confrontational manner.
>
> MS dumps billions into advertising with little to counter it. It's no
> wonder the average joe/jane has a skewed perception of history and their
> current options. I think having a simple response to someone spouting
> the MS tagline would be beneficial to the cause. Something like "Please
> visit intelligent-sounding-site-name.com
> <http://intelligent-sounding-site-name.com> if you want to hear the
> other side of the story." I've looked a bit, and most of the FOSS
> propoganda can best be described as erudite and at worst, rabid. Does
> anyone know of a good site that can be referenced to ejumacate folks?
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com
> <mailto:jjzeidner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold
> <lisakachold at obnosis.com <mailto:lisakachold at obnosis.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700
> >> From: jjzeidner at gmail.com <mailto:jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> >> To: plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> >> Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean <alex at crackpot.org
> <mailto:alex at crackpot.org>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy <mhoy06 at gmail.com
> <mailto:mhoy06 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was
> made up
> >> >>>> just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're
> having now!
> >> >>>> :)
> >> >>>> Just smells a little fishy to me...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I was thinking the exact same thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Same here... the story seems very fabricated.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Could be. But the "believe me because you're dumber than me"
> attitude
> >> > that
> >> > the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is
> quite real,
> >> > and a
> >> > problem that many of us suffer from.
> >>
> >> well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating
> >> this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart.
> >> The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme
> concocted by
> >> some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real
> >> names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't
> >> make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this
> >> propagate through the net, so I have my doubts.
> >>
> >> -jmz
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its
> advocates are
> >> > poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and
> relate
> >> > to.
> >> > That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid
> regardless
> >> > of
> >> > the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell
> people why
> >> > they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on
> >> > what's
> >> > good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're
> doing.
> >> >
> >> > alex
> >> >
> >
> > Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by
> trolls!
>
> awesome picture. I wonder if those things are genetically related
> to Furbys.
>
> an interesting thing I've noticed in recent years is that 'troll'
> has come to be used interchangeably with 'someone who doesnt agree
> with me'.
>
> -jmz
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