OT: Hands Off Google!

Joshua Zeidner jjzeidner at gmail.com
Thu Feb 9 12:56:06 MST 2006 

>
> >
> >
> > I know of at least one site http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com that
> > is not indexed in Google news because it has been classed as
> > 'extremist'.  take a look at the content, Im not sure who considers
> > this site to be extreme.
> >


Vaughn,

I searched "little green footballs" on Google News and did turn up a
> number of articles that referenced the site, though none referenced the
> blog directly.  I suppose that the whole point of a news search is to
> filter out what you don't consider news - though LGF is definitely a
> popular political site, so I'd say filtering it out is a mistake at best
> and evidence of bias at worst.



  From my understanding Google keywords will not index LGF articles.  It
seems that Google is representative of a growing political voice in
America... one that is not quite republican and not quite democrat( in the
traditional sense ).


OTOH, I do agree LGF _is_ extreme in the sense that it's generally
> anti-Muslim, which doesn't bother me, but will certainly bother a lot of
> other people. :-)  What I find distasteful about LGF is the amount of
> anti-Arab racist invective you see there.  I certainly would not ban
> that, though politically correct countries like the UK would, so perhaps
> that's a reason for the omission.  BTW, I'm somewhat flattered that the
> folks at LGF hate anti-war libertarians (such as myself)


  to be brief on politics on a linux list...  I don't think the LGF crowd is
against 'anti-war libertarians'.  They are certainly pro-libertarian and
pro-iraq war.  They do seem to spend quite a bit of time mocking and
deriding the american socialist crowd( LLL = Liberal Loony Left, for the
older crowd this is equivalent to 'pinko' ).  I have followed this site for
some time and generally I find these people are part of the new 'real-estate
speculator' class in CA.  To maintain RE values in the long term you must
support Republicans to some degree, or labor prices will inflate and your
property will lose relative value( although not necessarily denominative
value ).  This is why younger people support Democrats and older people
support Republicans for the express reason that younger people have more
time and thus want labor valued higher, and older people have more assets
and want property valued higher.  Upon close scrutiny, LGF can come off as
absurd.   This is what happens when you have 20 -something real-estate
investors.

so much that
> they call us "idiotarians."  It's a nice change after being marginalized
> and ignored.  :-)



  Actually this comes from a site called 'Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler'
http://www.nicedoggie.net/  .... also very fun reading.

 josh

>
> >         I can't read the dominoes and things at the bottom of the .cn
> >         page, so no
> >         idea if those are warnings of censorship.
> >
> >         > do no evil... well maybe just a little evil. no one will
> >         notice.
> >
> >         Turning info over to the .us gov't without fighting the
> >         illegal request is
> >         evil. Turning over personal info the the .cn gov't or the RIAA
> >         or MPAA
> >         without fighting it is evil.
> >
> >
> >   These problems are surely the beginning of much bigger ones in the
> > future.  One can imagine the number of ways that a search company
> > could control a group or society through an engine that users assume
> > is impartial and objective.  I would think that eventually there will
> > be government regulations on search engines, in addition to new
> > regulations introduced at the IP transport level as well.  This of
> > course would require a much higher level of formalization in the
> > information and linguistic sciences.  There is a growing contingency
> > of tech savvy activists who are vehemently fighting this encroachment
> > into thier digital communication infrastructure.  http://www.eff.org
> > .  There is Lessig of course, and a few other important lawyers and
> > technology people.  I had mentioned on the Azipa list more than a year
> > ago the problems concerning municipal wireless and how hidden cost
> > structures will effect their success.  Verizon has since 'put on a
> > happy face' and are now ostensibly more positive about the prospects(
> > and sales value ) of a 'neutral network'.  It seems more like bait
> > than an honest sales bid.
> >
> >   In general most people do not understand to what extent this
> > indexing of content can be used.  Natural Language Processing has made
> > some serious strides in recent years.  It cetainly touches on a lot of
> > hot topics such as privacy, etc.
> >
> >
> >         If they lose the fight they still have to comply with the law.
> >         I'd like to
> >         think one would choose to just not do business in a country
> >         like that, but
> >         I doubt Google, m$ or Yahoo are going to stop doing business
> >         in the .us...
> >
> >         As to Joshua's point below. No, I don't just jump up against
> >         something
> >         because m$ is doing it. I try to only criticize the evil
> >         things m$
> >         does. Pretty easy considering how large that list is...
> >
> >         BTW, is m$ still skewing search results to censor critics and
> >         abnormally
> >         promote its own pages?
> >
> >         The Tiananmen queries below end up both being handled by .com
> >         servers for
> >         me and have the same results.
> >
> >         ciao,
> >
> >         der.hans
> >
> >
> >         > On 2/6/06, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         >>
> >         >> This is too good to hold back.
> >         >>
> >         >> Tiananmen image search in
> >         China<http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen>
> >         >> Tiananmen image search in the rest of the world
> >         >> <http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen>
> >         >>
> >         >> On 2/2/06, Randy Melder < randymelder at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         >>>
> >         >>> What's really sad is that if it were Microsoft agreeing to
> >         censorship,
> >         >>> you'd be all over them... for some reason, Google gets a
> >         pass? Why?
> >         >>>
> >         >>
> >         >
> >
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