car stereo and ogg - and PMP's

[stu]

Thanks! I'll check them out.
	As a side note, I was surprised when my son plugged his Sony PSP into his 
Simply MEPIS computer, and it read it as a 2 Gig removable drive.

On Tuesday 26 December 2006 5:17 pm, Ryan Meldrum wrote:
> Speaking of PMP's, I did the same a few years ago.  I wanted something with
> a good sized HD, (30+gb) that played MP3, FLAC, WMA, WAV, OGG and found
> iRiver's IHP140.  Had a 40gb HD, FM tuner and optical In/Out.  Could record
> to WAV or to MP3.  At the time, it was 249, $100 cheaper than Apple's 30mb
> Ipod, but with more features...
>
> Also, Linux see's it as a USB attached storage device using VFat, so they
> are linux R/W compatible.  There is a python program to build the database
> if you wish to use it (the database does play by Album, artist, song,
> genre...but is not necessary to xfer files.)
>
> iRiver still support OGG, just make sure you read the labels.
>
> http://www.iriveramerica.com
>
> Fry's, carries them as well.
>
> On Tuesday 26 December 2006 3:01 pm, stu wrote:
> > 	Anyone who knows better, feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong...
> > 	My son has gone through a few CD players over the years, and it's been
> > my experience that almost all of them WILL play OGG files. The same seems
> > to be true with playing audio files in most home CD/DVD players as well
> > (Look at any commercial audio CD filesystem in your computer, and you'll
> > see OGG files are present on them as well). So, why does it seem to be
> > kept such a secret? I was shopping around for a PMP that played OGG files
> > this Christmas, and had very limited success. Here's as much of an
> > explanation as I could figure out from the research I did on the matter.
> > 	I seems that the DMCA, which is the law that makes it illegal to copy
> > any copy protected digital material for pretty much *any* reason, relies
> > heavily on DRM to enforce it. DRM is basically a MicroSoft invention, and
> > MicroSoft refuses to work with open formats like Ogg/Vorbis because they
> > cannot control the open source development of them. Since MicroSoft
> > controls 95% of the desktop market, that makes it essentially *illegal*
> > to sell or promote Ogg/Vorbis friendly hardware in the U.S. of A. no
> > matter how popular the format is in the rest of the world. It's a grey
> > area to be sure, but grey enough that US merchants won't touch it.
> > 	If I want an Ogg/Vorbis compatible PMP, I'll likely have to order one
> > from England.
> >
> > On Monday 25 December 2006 6:48 pm, der.hans wrote:
> > > moin moin,
> > >
> > > I've been looking for a car stereo that plays ogg for my $gf for a long
> > > time. Mostly, I haven't been all that serious, but in the last couple
> > > of month I decided it was time to finally replace the borken unit she
> > > has.
> > >
> > > I started with the list from xiph.
> > >
> > > http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/StaticPlayers#Car_Audio
> > >
> > > Doesn't look too promising. I searched for several of them online, but
> > > was unable to find them available.
> > >
> > > I finally broke down and went to a couple of stores. I found nothing
> > > that mentioned ogg, vorbis or flac. Hadn't expected to.
> > >
> > > Found no one that had heard of them either. Hadn't expected to. One of
> > > the sales guys at a Best Buy suggested I bring in a CD and try it.
> > >
> > > Finally got a chance a few days ago. I went equipped with a CD of ogg
> > > I've burned ( and it turns out I also got some mp3s off a podcast I
> > > grab ), a USB thumb drive with ogg from a local band (
> > > www.TravelerMusic.com ) and an SD card with a mix of ogg and mp3.
> > >
> > > Haven't used CF for so long I didn't have any with me.
> > >
> > > I walked into another Best Buy and after getting permission from the
> > > sales guy I started sticking my devices into decks they had up for
> > > display. As it turned out the 3 I tried all worked. Well, for some
> > > value of worked.
> > >
> > > All 3 had USB ports. First I tried the less expensive of the two JVC
> > > units with USB ports. Stuck the thumb drive in and Traveler came up, no
> > > problems. I was amazed.
> > >
> > > Next I tried a pioneer, I think. It also worked. Finally I tried an
> > > insignia ( turns out this is the Best Buy in house brand ). That also
> > > worked.
> > >
> > > I tried the CD in all three. The Insigna model played off off the CD
> > > just fine. The other two only played the mp3s :(. The Insignia also has
> > > an SD slot. off played from that as well. I was sold.
> > >
> > > Insignia's NS-C5111 CD Car deck
> > >
> > > http://www.insignia-products.com/pc-127-16-insignia-40w-x-4-ipod-ready-
> > >cd -d eck-with-cd-rrwmp3wma-playback.aspx
> > >
> > > Best Buy also offers a 4 year replacement warrantee for $20. $gf now
> > > has a car stereo that's warranteed to play ogg for 4 years. At that
> > > point either ogg support will be easy to get or it'll be irrelevant.
> > >
> > > She's overjoyed about the new stereo and happy that she'll be able to
> > > create her own mobile collections because she knows how to use thumb
> > > drives and SD cards.
> > >
> > > It looked like all 3 were picking up the tags from the files. I'll test
> > > the Insignia more once we have it installed.
> > >
> > > ciao,
> > >
> > > der.hans

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