Finally, someone is holding vendors responsible for vulnerabi lities

Francois, Jean (J.L.) plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:52:28 -0500


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IMHO the way to properly apply a lawsuit would be to sue those
that are NEGLIGENT at patching and fixing 0wn3d systems.

So, if you notice a server listed at Dshield or on=20
your IDS that is actively performing portscans/attacks
and report it to the owner and upstream it must be fixed
within [INSERT TIME FRAME HERE].

If it doesn't get fixed, gather up the documentation needed
and sue them for negligence and damages for not responding
to and correcting the problem.


My .02

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. G [mailto:drghastly@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:43 AM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: Finally, someone is holding vendors responsible for
vulnerabilities


There are many MANY vunerabilities in Linux. Numerous web sites list =
them.

Can YOU code a program so that it has 100% security, no flaws, etc? If =
you
can why don't you go work for these companies?

Suing for flaws is not a good answer. Lawsuits arw RARELY a good =
answer. If
the flaw was deliberate and can be proved so, then ok.

Suing a software vendor over flaws is a very bad idea. Making them =
patch it
is a good idea, imo.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George Toft" <george@georgetoft.com>
To: "PLUG Discuss" <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:31 AM
Subject: Finally, someone is holding vendors responsible for =
vulnerabilities


--  Korean Group Mulls Class Action Suit Over Slammer
(3/4 February 2003)
The People's Solidarity for Participatory Democracy (PSPD), a Korean
civic group, is weighing the possibility of filing a class action
lawsuit against Microsoft Corp. for damages caused by the Slammer worm.
A recently passed product liability law holds companies liable for
damage caused by flaws in their products.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200302/kt2003020318021611960.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/29174.html

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